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[edit] DYK

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[edit] Featured

Congratulations on getting the article on the Bath School disaster featured. It's a very interesting read thanks to the work you put into it. Great job! Kafziel 20:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

ditto on the story. I had a small part by creating the Carlton W. Angell link, but am curious as to who the Kenneth Black was who gave you the Girl with the Cat statue? I am trying to locate a Kenneth Black [or a relative] who was/is an architect in Lansing, Michigan and am wondering if there is some connection? Carptrash 01:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I see you are a significant editor to the article posted on the Wikipedia main page today. Jtmichcock, you and the other editors did a terrific job. Dude, I tell you, well done, and admire your talent taking what unfortunately could have been a local history stub into the "brilliant prose" level. LookNorth 02:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the article certainly did. I am from the Midwest and never heard of this before. LookNorth 01:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Congrats. youngamerican (talk) 16:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Gerald Ford

No problem; keep you your good work! Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 03:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Jtmichcock, I would like to apologize for edits to the Bath School Disaster article and subsequent vandalism of your talk page by my father or sister (IP 24.17.77.57). They are not experienced Wikipedia users, only having discovered it through me several weeks ago. Please accept this apology.Hoji 06:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

On my talk page, you left a "your're welcome" for a "note of thanks." Maybe I'm confused, but I thought I left you a note of congratulations, not thanks. Anyways, keep up the good work. youngamerican (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar? It wasn't me. You certainly deserve one for this article and the work on hot dogs, but I am too wiki-retarded to get the barnstars right. But I definately second the awarding of a barnstar to you for your work. youngamerican (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I do, however, give you a shoutout on my user page. youngamerican (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] fair use

A week or so ago you wrote on Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Ta_bu_shi_da_yu_2:

Every single newspaper, magazine, television program and other form of media grapple with issues of copyright, trademark and application of fair use principles - and they sometimes screw up. That doesn't make them any of them "questionably legal"...

That was a very nicely nuanced argument, which I only just now got to. Thank you. —Steve Summit (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bath disaster

If you can't view any edits in the history, you need to force refresh the history page, by pressing CTRL+F5. All I deleted were vandalisms and their reversions. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2006-03-23 01:05

[edit] Congrats on surviving the main page

Just wanted to send a big congrats on you and your article having surviving the main page experience with your sanity intact and your article still great! --Alabamaboy 15:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Idit Harel Caperton

I have posted a request for peer review for the above article. I have always valued your opinion on all topics related to Wikipedia and humbly ask that you take a look and offer up any comments/criticisms/concerns that you may have. Cheers. youngamerican (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lakeside Mall

You seem to be one of the movers and shakers behind the Lakeside Mall article. I was considering starting a deletion process on the thing (nothing personal), but I wanted to discuss it with you first. I explain my reasons in a little more detail on the article's talk page, but to be brief, I don't understand why that particular shopping mall deserves its own article. The description of the mall in the article makes it seem like nothing more than a typical (albeit somewhat large) suburban shopping mall. The article doesn't mention anything noteworthy that's happened there and there doesn't seem to be a superlative associated with the mall. It's not a biggest, tallest, most anything as far as I can tell. Is there a really good reason that this mall is more deserving of an article than almost every other mall in America? If there is the article doesn't make it seem that way. Rhesusman 02:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the article is very well-written. But that doesn't speak to its significance. You did mention the role of the mall in revitalizing the local economy and the fact that it was the largest in the state for twenty years. If that's the source of the mall's significance, why is it not in the article? As it stands, a typical reader not familiar with the Detroit area is going to read this article and see an article about a shopping mall that's not all that special. Rhesusman 06:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree it's better to add to wikipedia than remove. I can see that you're an active contributor - more so than I am - and I respect that (I'm a law student so I don't have as much time to be as active in the wikipedia community as I would like). However, I would be of the mind that just being well-written is not in and of itself enough to make an article encyclopedic. Not everything belongs in wikipedia. I came upon the article by chance, it struck me as unencyclopedic and not sufficiently significant. You've persuaded me otherwise - when I said "why is it not in the article" I meant to suggest that you should add this stuff. That's why I tried to do the courteous thing and ask you before listing it on AfD. I may have not have been correct to say the article didn't belong, but I don't think I've behaved out of line. I didn't think this article was that big of a deal; just something worth pointing out. Like I said I wasn't trying to make this personal and you didn't have to snap at me. Rhesusman 13:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Some of us are working on setting guidelines for indoor shopping malls. Check out User:Youngamerican/Indoor shopping malls and chip in your thoughts, if you wish. youngamerican (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bath School disaster vctims

Thought you might want to see this. youngamerican (talk) 00:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gerald Ford

Gerald Rudolph Ford, Jr. (born July 14, 1913) was the 40th (1973–1974) Vice President and the 38th (1974–1977) President of the United States. Ford obtained his bachelors degree from the University of Michigan and law degree from Yale University before serving in the United States Navy during World War II. In 1948, Republican Ford defeated the incumbent in the party primary and was elected to the United States House of Representatives representing the Grand Rapids, Michigan area and elected House Minority Leader in 1963. When Spiro Agnew resigned, Ford was appointed Vice President. Following the resignation of Richard Nixon, Ford ascended to the presidency on August 9, 1974. The Ford administration saw the withdrawal of American forces from Vietnam, the execution of the Helsinki Accords and the continuing specter of inflation and recession. After Ford was criticized by many for granting a pardon to Nixon, Democrat Jimmy Carter narrowly defeated Ford in the 1976 presidential race. Ford is the nation's only President who was elected to neither the Presidency nor Vice Presidency.

[edit] Detroit, Michigan

Nice work with the Detroit article so far. However, I ask that at the moment you refrain from working on the government and culture sections since I am now in the middle of prepping the contents for their own articles and summarizing the material in the Detroit article (which will hopefully bring the article close to the 45 kB mark if it is to be readied for the FA process). If you want, you can look at my work on my user page (under Desk) and comment on anything that needs to be done. Thanks. Pentawing^Talk 04:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The main problem concerning article size comes about when the article is nominated for FA. From my experience in getting city articles featured (Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Boston, Massachusetts), there are some people (notably Nichalp) who insist that during FA candidacy an article should not go over a certain size. These people, I should note, are well respected by the Wikipedia community, and whenever they speak up everyone listens. For instance, the Boston article was 45 kB when it achieved FA and since then its size has increased to more than 50 kB. Nobody cares about an article's size once it achieves FA (so far I haven't seen an article's large size being the basis of a FA removal), but where it counts is during the nomination process. The idea I am working with is that these major problems must be resolved first so that when the FA process does come along the only objections raised will be those that are easy to resolve (rather than objections that can kill a nomination).

As for the images, the one for the Detroit Medical Center can just be one of the major hospitals (I am not looking for an aerial shot). My concern is that many of the current images do not show a street level view of the city (many are skyline shots). As for the urban prairie, the idea is to show that much of the city is abandoned, though that could be countered with an image of a major redevelopment project (e.g. Campus Martius or the GM Riverfront). At the same time, we should try to avoid using copyrighted images that require fair-use rationale as much as possible and stick to GFDL-licensed or public domain images (remember Carnildo who objected to several images for the Michigan State Capitol because they were copyrighted?). Hope these explanations help. Pentawing^Talk 03:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I decided to change the listing of needed images to address some of your concerns (e.g. instead of "urban prairie," "abandoned sections" will be used). Secondly, since you mentioned article size, I am hoping that if Detroit is nominated for FA that the users I mentioned will not suddenly show up to object to the article. But I am playing it safe and will have the modified sections readied around this Sunday. Pentawing^Talk 06:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I finally got the new summaries into the article and created sub-articles out of the previous material (these actions reduced the article's size down to 50kB). Nevertheless, there is one image that I am unsure about (Image:Detroit2003pics foto.jpg), given that it is copyrighted. Could you be able to give a fair-use justification for this image (I am wary of using such images if a freely licensed image is available). As a side note (in case you were wondering), I removed the SMART logo since I am now in the process of finally creating an article for it. Please let me know if you have issues with the new summaries. Pentawing^Talk 03:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

When you said "the contrast is rather dramatic and may enhance its chances to gain featured status," are you referring to the Chicago article? Personally, I don't believe the Chicago article will achieve FA this time around (from what I know, this is the fourth attempt at FA. New York City was nominated twice, and one major complaint I saw was size, or rather bloated size). Anyways, I am keeping the Detroit article on peer review for at least a month, so there isn't any need to worry about FA nomination at the moment. Pentawing^Talk 02:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the image, though right now we should focus on content rather than images. I recently asked Taxman to look at the article and give some suggestions. He has given some useful suggestions that we should start working on. Pentawing^Talk 21:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alpha Phi Alpha

I was referred to use the article History of Michigan State University during peer review as an example on improving Alpha Phi Alpha as Feature Article Candidate. I used your quote boxes and during FAC, admin Tuf-Kat made the comment that these are unencyclopedic. I informed him that this quote boxes appear in a current feature article, so why was my use unencyclopedic. That's why he has removed your quotes, and he's assuming that the boxes were added after the article received Feature Article status. Do you know if the boxes were there during the review? Also, can you review my article and provide input. thanks and sorry for bringing unwanted attention to your article. Ccson 03:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I can visibly see the improved changes for the article after your initial copyedits. thanks so much, Carl. Ccson 15:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Tuf-Kat said it needed "massive copyedit", so I'm glad to see a new pair of eyes. I hope this article makes it pass FAC and you can add this to your list of articles you have augmented. Good luck on the trial. Ccson 22:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You have really done an exceptional job in less than 24 hours in improving this article 100%+. Thank you so much!! Ccson 03:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The barnstar is in the bag; I'm going to also make you an unofficial honoary member of the fratnerity.

Good morning. I also updated some info regarding the infamous "brown paper bag" test. thanks for your npov. Ccson 13:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I read the source regarding the fraternity's composition being mainly african-american. I don't disagree with this, however; after reading the article 3 times, I still don't see the source to verify the statement in the article. Ccson 14:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The last footnote has a 1950 version of the History of Alpha Phi Alpha. Do you have a copy of this book or know where one can be located? The group is looking for relics of the past for a planned exhibit at the August Genereal Convention. Ccson 14:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll take your lead on this since you haven't led me wrong thus far. Once again, thanks for all the great copyedit, NPOV and advice you provided. The article now contains "brilliant prose" due your contributions. I'll see you in a week. Ccson 13:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I added 3 new pictures and removed the picture of the Sphinx Magazine and its purpose. I want your opinion on the three added in the history section, their quality and appropriateness. You can revert back if you like, and/or rearrange to your liking. Ccson 07:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I renonimated the article as a FAC. Hopefully you'll be able to add to your growing list of articles on your user page. Ccson 13:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar and for your brilliant prose, expansion of the footnotes and for working with the FAC reviewers. Don't forget to add this article to your user page as one that you have put in a lot of effort to get to Feature Article Status. Ccson 15:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Raul has been working on the introductory paragraph for Alpha Phi Alpha. I think he getting it ready for the featured article during the July 25 week which coincides with the 100th anniversary. Thanks so much all the work you provided. I'm a better wikipedian from watching your contributions. I hope you're enjoying a wonderful summer. Ccson 03:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Detroit Neighborhood articles

A new editor has recently added quite a few articles on Detroit neighborhoods & roads (see my list here User:Isotope23/To Do). The content of these articles is such that they need a complete rewrite. I'm going to prod or redirect the roads, but I'm undecided about the neighborhoods. I wan to keep the articles, but I'd like to come up with a naming convention then do a rewrite. Since I've noticed that you and User:Pentawing take a stron interest in the Detroit article, I figured you might have some useful feedback (or might want to do some article cleanup).--Isotope23 13:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking about doing that, but leaving a few of the notable neighborhoods as standalones (Corktown, Greektown, Mexicantown, Indian Village). That's why I love Detroit: slap an ethnicity on it and end it with "town"... you've got yourself a neighborhood!--Isotope23 18:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Toledo War

Sure, I'll have a look, though I am quite busy this week outside Wikipedia. Pentawing^Talk 02:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I know this is old business (from April 2, to be precise), but thanks for the barnstar! I didn't notice it until now in my subpage. Thanks, though, and congrats again on getting Gerald Ford to FA! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charlton Press

Thanks for your edit to Charlton Press. It is a Canadian company with no connection to Charlton Comics. TruthbringerToronto 13:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MRO references

Mmm.. but to avoid duplicate references, doesn't it make more sense to only include the references in the most appropriate article? In this case the RAD750.. if you think a citation is needed, then surely one should add it to that article, not the MRO one? Mlm42 13:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MRO stuff

Looking at the Science Peer Review, it doesn't look like it's even very active or anything... But, I guess it's certainly worth a shot. Thanks for the help! Tuvas 16:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

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[edit] Detroit, Michigan - Trade

I read through the article. If you wish, you can reinsert the passage along with the source. However, if I were the one to reinsert the passage, I would prefer using another source such as the Detroit Chamber of Commerce, the U.S. Department of Commerce, or Statistics Canada. Pentawing^Talk 02:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge of ketchup on hot dogs

I was wondering what your objections were to the merging of ketchup on hot dogs into the hot dog article, and was hoping you would join the discussion on Talk:Ketchup on hot dogs. JDoorjam Talk 18:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup Taskforce

I've added Mayerling to your desk. Hunterd is also working on the article, and is proposing a split of the article. It would be great if you could pop in and help as well. Thanks --Kerowyn ^{Leave a note} 08:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:DSC00437-det.JPG listed for deletion

[edit] Urban prairie

I recently came across Urban prairie and the pictures that you'd posted there. Do you have more? How about higher resolution versions. This is absolutely fascinating -- I'd love to see the article flushed out (much like the blog posts, though with a tone suitable for Wikipedia) and more pictures. If not, there's always the possibility of taking them -- if you live in Detroit, that is. Well, thanks for posting the ones you did! (I'm going to relay the same message to the author of the detroit blog, once I find his/her email address) --Zantastik talk 21:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:DSC00441-det.JPG listed for deletion

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