User talk:Josh777

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[edit] Lutheran Calendar of Saints

Why do you keep changing the Lutheran Calendar of Saints? The name of the Minor Festival on February 2nd is The Purification of Mary and the Presentation of our Lord, the name is in TLH and LSB. Also why do you keep adding links to articles that do not exist? User:Josh777 23:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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The change to the Festival on 2 Feb is to reflect the usage of the LBW which does not list the purification of Mary as being the primary emphasis. While I realize and understand that the SBH and LSB add her purification to the title, the LBW is more recognizable to a wider number of North American Lutherans and reflects something of a theological consensus between ELCA predecessor bodies and the LCMS since the latter did not pull from the LBW project until immediately before publication (if you look, you will see that they are even still listed as one of the publishers in the title page). Thus, as I stated, the LBW represents something of a broad consensus amongst North American Lutherans in terms of its production that even the TLH and the SBH did not enjoy, and is certainly not enjoyed by either hymnal project by the ELCA or the LCMS.

If it is felt for whatever reason that the verbiage of the LSB be given priority (exclusive or otherwise), I would suggest that an LCMS-specific calendar be written since my vision for the current page is that it reflect both the presumed consensus of the LBW and the nomenclature/format most easily recognizable to North American Lutherans. As it stands, I fail to see why the LBW should not be used since it represents the work of the LCMS/ELCA predecessors in cooperation whereas the new LSB is the exclusive work of the LCMS without consideration for usage in other North American Lutheran bodies (the same would hold true for the new ELW). Therefore, aside from updating the body of the article to bring the dates for specific commemorations/festivals into conformity with the new prayerbooks (and to properly designate their ranks where applicable changes have been made from the LBW), I see no specific reason to give either the ELW or the LSB preferential treatment in terms of nomenclature or verbiage. In short, the LBW represents the closest thing to a consensus on liturgical matters that North American Lutherans have ever had and since the article is designed to appeal to the widest variety of North American Lutherans possible, it should be preferred over either new or previous hymnal/prayerbook.

Furthermore, I keep re-adding the links to non-existent articles because it serves as a notice that these are things which should be researched and added to the articles on Wikipedia. Since having started the calendar project, several individuals who previously did not have an article or had only a stub now have full articles or have had existing articles significantly expanded, hence my rationale.

Hope that serves to answer your questions.

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