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[edit] Once more, with feeling.

"songs and lyrics for the musical episode" -- er? songs are made up of music and lyrics. So "songs and lyrics" is needless repetition. This episode was on BBC this evening, and I think it gave a credit for the music that wasn't Joss Whedon. Needs checking; I'll probably catch the repeat tomorrow night & I'll pay closer attention -- Tarquin

The script book (ISBN 0-689-85918-X) claims "words and music by Joss Whedon" on all the songs; apparently he and his wife worked out the songs while on vacation, then came back and hired a couple real composers (Jess Tobias and Christophe Beck) to arrange it. --Brion 23:18 Dec 19, 2002 (UTC)
True, bad phrasing on 'songs and lyrics.' Should be 'music and lyrics.' (my fault) The credits on the CD soundtrack concur with Brion's script book - Joss wrote the music and lyrics for everything with the exception of one instrumental piece (Dawn's Ballet), which was by Beck. Tobias and Beck did arrangement. (Joss goes into some pretty amusing details in the liner notes about how he wishes he had bothered to learn how to play a musical instrument before tackling the project!) -- Wapcaplet
It was a good episode. I think every season of Buffy has a few episodes at the start where you think "uh-oh... they've lost it / it's gone all weird / hmmm not sure I like this", and then there's an episode that makes you think "aha! this is Buffy" -- Tarquin

I thought I'd move all the info for the Musical episode in a new page, adding much more info about it, it is now at Once More, With Feeling. Lazarus Long 21:48 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Uncredited movie writing sources.

Hi. While adding the references to some movies Joss wrote, I realised his (uncredited :-) credits for Speed and X-Men can no longer be found on IMDB. Does anyone have any reliable sources that Joss did accually (co-)write those scripts? -- RoToRa 12:59, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

He mentions both in the interview [1] [2] he did for The Onion. chocolateboy 15:57, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mortal Combat

Me again ;-) Someone added Mortal Kombat to the list of uncredited movies. It's not mentioned in the Onion interview. Does any one know of a source? -- RoToRa 14:10, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Intro.

I've cleaned up the intro: moving the comic book text to it's section, and removing the links to the tv series to theirs. I don't know what to do about Buffy - it should probably be mentioned in the intro, but do we then link that to the Buffy article, or to his Buffy section? I don't think Firefly (of which I'm a huge fan) and Angel should be mentioned in the intro (which should be very short, tho may include Serenity in the future). -- Jeandré, 2004-07-11t11:03z

[edit] Hill?

Does anyone have a source for Joss' middle name? The best I found was "Joss H. Whedon" at Wesleyan's site: [3] [4]. -- Jeandré, 2004-07-17t16:24z

It's an open secret :-)
chocolateboy 17:08, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
tv.com lists Joss's birth name as Joseph Hill Whedon. --Mindbender 21:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable influences

I was reading the Trogdor article and noticed a reference to joss that I thought should be in someway included in this article.

Also, I'm a big fan of Firefly and Donnie Darko and I've noticed two significant references to donnie darko in firefly. One is when in the mrs reynolds episode, mrs reynolds refers to the cellar door. The other is when (in episode out of gas as I recall) Malcolm says, "everyone dies alone," which is what grandma death told to Donnie. Should this stuff be added to the article? Vicarious 11:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

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Should this stuff be added to the article?
Yes, if a reputable source has made the connection. Otherwise it falls under the rubric of original research. If you do find a source, I'd suggest the Firefly and/or Serenity articles would be more obvious places to deposit the info.
As for the Trogdor factoid: I'd create a new Trivia section and whack it in there.
chocolateboy 15:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I never liked the Original Research policy. Or I should say, how it's applied. It was created for people that invent a new physics theory that's gibberish so we could keep them off wikipedia without telling them they're idiots. I think the rule is strecthed a big too far often times. I will conceed though that I can't say with definitive certainty that joss is a fan of donnie darko. meh Vicarious 11:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] alpha delta phi

Does anybody knows if Whedon is really an Alpha delta phi brother?

- he doesn't appear as an alumni at the alpha delta phi-wikipedia site - a google search turned up only 10 results with two beeing the wikipedia articles itself and the rest beeing random matches that showed no connection

so I think it's better to delete the category unless somebody can pinpoint something that would make sure he's a alpha delta phi

(Sirana 15:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Angel ratings

A friend just told me that Angel did have amazing ratings, it was simply not as critically acclaimed as Buffy or Firefly was. I don't know the story, can someone please drop some sources? -b 03:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Angel was cancelled for more complex reasons than ratings. It was all about ratings vs. profits. Although Angel's ratings were actually very good for WB, the show was very expensive compared to say Touched By an Angel which could also obtain good ratings. also Angel did not do as well in repeats as WB would have liked probably because most fans who liked the show enough to watch a repeat would buy the DVD sets instead. The article is misleading because at points in the history of Buffy and Angel, despite more attention always being focussed on Buffy, Angel was actually getting higher ratings than Buffy (though this was probably caused by the UPN always having generally lower ratings than WB). -- Paxomen 12:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Fearful Leader" source

Someone just added the following text:

According to an interview with Marti Noxon, the writing team for Buffy gave Joss the affectionate nickname Our Fearful Leader

Could we get a source for this? Anytime we quote from an interview, we should be sure to cite it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] remove "spike movie"

i removed the sentence "He also hopes to oversee the making of a Spike movie". I believe that a movie which isn't announced by anyone and probably will never happen isn't important enough for a bio.

Sirana 17:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. [5] AlistairMcMillan 17:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed harry potter

I removed this line

"Whedon also said on August 25 2005 that he'd consider directing Harry Potter"

since the link that was provided didn't lead anywhere, i didn't find anything on google about it and it sounds pretty unlikely. Sirana 13:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Apparently you don't know how to use Boolean searching terms. The Leaky Cauldron Synopsis of Joss Whedon's chat with Empire Online. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 08:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] specific deaths in the "death" section

131.123.57.26 removed the names of characters that are killed in whedon's show and i think he is right with that, so i put the spoiler template down. I think it isn't important enough on a bio page and it is a pretty heavy spoiler even with the template. so if nobody objects, i think the names should stay off the page...

Sirana 07:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Strongly agree with the removal of specific names per reasons above. -- Paxomen 14:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
An anon IP has just re-added the names; I'll remove them again and add a hidden-text message to discuss here before adding again. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Animated Series

Are there any plans to produce the animated series and release them on DVD? Or is it truly dead?--Radaar 03:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Until someone offers up a considerable amount of cash.. it's looking dead(ish). See Buffy the Animated Series -- Paxomen 17:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of Basic Biographical Information

Nationality? Place of Birth? Family? I think we should be told--Mongreilf 08:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler?

Renfield recently restored the spoiler notice to the "themes and motifs" section, with the somewhat enigmatic edit summary "(explaining the spoiler would defeat the purpose, as would a more specific placing. (2nd section))". I can only assume that this means the homosexuality section is what contains the supposed spoiler — but what is it? Willow being gay? I don't see how that revelation could "spoil" someone's enjoyment of BTVS. I'm dubious of the need for the spoiler tag at all in this article. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The way the article looks now, someone's trying to provide a spoiler for feminism. I don't see what's so spoilery about Joss's position as a feminist. —scarecroe 19:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
If a character's sexual identity is "uncovered", i.e., presents a change from what has been previously assumed about him/her, then I would consider that a plot device. Now, which plot devices should be considered "spoilers" is a matter of opinion, but why sacrifice the enjoyment of those who'd only want Joss Whedon's background information just because you don't want to see a tag? There's nothing wrong with being conservative in this case. Renfield 19:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
If there's to be a spoiler tag, it should be bookended with the spoiler closer tag. Seeing as I don't know what the intended spoiler is, I can't add it myself. —scarecroe 20:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I suppose that Willow's orientation is a plot device in Season 4 of Buffy, but it's one that was widely discussed at the time, and not presented as something that needed to be kept hidden — it's not a major plot twist like the ones in, say, The Sixth Sense or The Crying Game. I'll abide by whatever consensus is reached here, though.
However, if the tag is kept, I still don't understand why "a more specific placing" would defeat the purpose of the spoiler tag. It's not as if the knowledge that something in Whedon's oeuvre contains homosexual themes would reveal any specific plot point; at least, no more than the sentence "Many characters die in Whedon's shows" does. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Television and film have their differences. For a television series - especially one as long-running as BTVS - the focus is on the development of its characters. Information in this regard should be protected. By the time one gets to the "Homosexuality" paragraph, specific character names pop right out (let's argue about this). I'm speaking from my own experience, as a reader who's considering watching the series for the first time. Keep in mind that not everyone on this bio-page is a seasoned fan. Renfield 21:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Involvement with Marvel Comics

---Added a single line about his upcoming work on 'Runaways,' from Marvel. Don't have time atm to add a reference link, but it's up at Newsarama.com. 71.144.119.48 16:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)MD

Does anyone have a source for whedon's involvement with the ending of Marvel Civil War? I don't know a whole ton about whedon or what's up with him and marvel, but I've never read this before, and it seems not to mesh with the rest of what i know about CW. 66.222.62.214 02:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays33.html
And I'm having trouble with the link, but on Millarworld a while back Mark wrote, "Whedon was in town and, during the summit, quite brilliantly chose the best of the four endings we'd been arguing over for the better part of a day."--Nalvage 17:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spoilers in relationship section

I removed the last part of the relationship section which was: "...as we see in the deaths of Angel, Spike, and Fred," which I believe is to spoilerish for a biography.

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