Talk:Joseph de Maistre

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As this stands, everything seems to be from the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910 (public domain). Beyond the first two paragraphs is verbatim. -- Jmabel 03:59, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I've now edited a little & wikified. I've done my best to translate the titles of his works; someone may know better about names under which translations may have been published. -- Jmabel 05:20, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Note to WHEELER: I reverted your edit because "conservatism" is seen as an ideology by virtually all educated people, including most conservatives. Your belief that conservatism is not an ideology, but rather "the truth", is a very biased POV that you are free to hold, but not to introduce here. It is an opinion so far in the minority that, in my opinion and the opinion of everyone else, as near as I can tell, Wikipedia need not address it. Jwrosenzweig 19:07, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I think the question of whether conservatism is properly an ideology is an interesting one; the article on Conservatism discusses it at some length. My own view would be that de Maistre's breed of conservatism was precisely an ideology, although Burke's (which mainly emphasized institutional continuity and constitutionalism) arguably was not. But in the context the word appears here, I don't think it matters either way. At best it is le mot juste, at worst it is not, but it's not misleading. -- Jmabel 04:37, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edit

There was a recent major anonymous edit. Someone who knows more about de Maistre than I should review. In particular, I find is a little bizarre that this removes from the lead, without comment or citation, the statements that he is French, and that he supported not just monarchy but absolutism. Again, though, I don't really know de Maistre's life and work, and I presume someone else here does. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:45, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Baudelaire

Why was "the decadent poet Charles Baudelaire" changed to just "the poet Charles Baudelaire"? It seems a useful bit of identification for anyone who might not know Baudelaire well. It should probably be linked to Decadent movement, not decadence, but it is otherwise correct. Barring a good case to the contrary, I will restore it (with the different link). - Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I gave a day or so for reply; I'm editing; if it is in dispute, please discuss here. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 18:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

no dispute, just my ignorance. being unaware of the decadent movement, i just took it as an opinion of somebody about baudelaire. sorry. this way the link is fixed and that's good. trueblood 21:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Was not French!

I don,t Know why, against history, should be French. Savoy is part of France from 1860, before was integrant part of Kingdom of Sardinia; and after he has never wanted be French: he has written about himself in "Consideration sur la France" that he did't wont be French. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:84.220.216.47}27 November 2006|84.220.216.47}27 November 2006]] ([[User talk:84.220.216.47}27 November 2006|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.220.216.47}27 November 2006|contribs]]) .

The body of the article claims only that he was "French-speaking," which is of course true. To label him an "Italian writer" because he was legally a subject of the Kingdom of Sardinia seems to me very misleading. Maistre's ancestors were French, he wrote in French about French affairs, and his intellectual influence was by far the greatest in France. The place where he was born is now part of France, not Italy. Though I agree that the categories of "French counter-revolutionary" and "French writer" are slightly problematic, they seem to me justified, and preferrable to available alternatives (or to their elimination). -- Eb.hoop 01:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
He born and he died in Kingdom of Sardinia and has been in Sardinian government; he wrote in Considérations sur la France: « Je ne suis pas français, je ne l'ai jamais été et je ne veux pas l'être, (in en: I’m not French, I never been French and I don’t wont be French). Is true, he was French speaking, but it doesn’t mean anything (at that time was normally for European aristocracy to speak and write French). Not everybody that is English speaking, or English writing, is truly English citizen. I find ordinary that he wrote about French affairs: he was against French Revolution! Savoy is part of France from 1860, before, (whit all his history), was integrant part of Kingdom of Sardinia (so… part of Italian history). Doesn’t mean anything is Maistre's ancestors were French: Robert De Niro’s ancestors were Italians, but Robert De Niro is nowadays an American citizen. I think misleading is what you have written.--80.104.249.99 22:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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