Talk:José Ortega y Gasset

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I've translated this from the Spanish-language Wikipedia. It could use some fleshing out (including about Ortega y Gasset's politics) and the "Philosophy" section at the bottom is very weak, but it's all there was in the original. -- Jmabel 19:38, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] cut from article: influential on Heidegger

I've brought the following recently added sentence over here for discussion.

Ortega y Gassett was extremely influential on existentialism, especially the work of Martin Heidegger as Ortega y Gasset was at pains to point out.

Since this pretty much accuses him of boasting about influencing Heidegger, I don't think this should be added without a citation of him making such a claim. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:26, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

If you read The Dehumanisation of Art (don't have page number to hand) Ortega y Gassett includes a long footnote in which he praises Heidegger (in a back handed sort of way) before pointing out that almost all of his best ideas were taken directly from 'Meditations on Quixote'. I will get the quote in a few weeks. Ortega y Gassett was not a modest man, and was very sensitive to being slighted, especially if this was because he was Spanish (he felt). BScotland

Makes sense, and with a citation I'd be glad to have it in there, but definitely not the sort of thing to add without citation. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:23, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

>> The Dehumanisation of Art Princeton University Press 1972 page 146.

'Heideggers admirable book Being and Time...arrives at a definition of life not far from this (i.e. the one Ortega is arguing for).....but i am obliged to say i owe Heidegger very little....of Heidegger's important concepts but one or two at most have not been previously expressed in one of my books....'....Ortega then goes on for two more pages (in a footnote!!!) to show the extent to which Heidegger 'stole' (my word not his) his (i.e. Ortega's) ideas.

So i have put the sentence back in.

[edit] Cut: true but trivial

In spanish speaking countries there is a common joke relative to Ortega y Gasset. A literal translation of his name to english (if that was possible) would be Ortega and Gasset. The joke aquires many shapes but it basically verses on the fact that uneducated people think Ortega y Gasset are two spanish philosohpers (Ortega and Gasset).

True enough, but not really important enough for an encyclopedia article. By the way, I'm pretty sure this joke shows up in Gabriel Cabrera Infante's Tres Tristes Tigres (somewhere in one of Bustrófedon's lists). A similar joke in English is on the name Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, pronounced (in the joke) as Sir Arthur Cohen and Doyle. I believe that one comes from Allan Sherman. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference Needed: Uncited Quote

This sentence, found toward the end of the of the section on Circunstancia 2.1, contains an important quote from Ortega that I feel merits an explicit reference. The sentence reads and sounds like Ortega and I feel that I have come across it before but for life of me I don't know where to start looking for it again.

The connextion that Ortega makes with fate and circumstances is often intentionally problematic and more dynamically dramatic then currently comes across. At the time I don't have any suggested changes other than citing the reference source.

In this sense Ortega wrote that life is at the same time fate and freedom, and that freedom “is being free inside of a given fate. Fate gives us an inexorable repertory of determinate possibilities, that is, it gives us different destinies. We accept fate and within it we choose one destiny.”

Tino 02:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)