User talk:Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

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Great job on the DNS zone transfer article. Alex Jaspersen 03:51, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] doubling the barrel

Hello Jonathan! Well done for findng so many people for the List of people with a double-barrelled name article! One question: Before your addition the list was sorted in alphabetical order of surname. For the "first name" sections, should we move to alphabetical order of first name? It seems hard not to, now that your massive list is included! Brequinda 07:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

  • In the given names section it would seem sensible to sort by given names, yes. Are you thinking of creating two categories, as was suggested? Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 08:32, July 15, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Warwick School and Mora Clocks

J deB P - the prefect who jumped off the River Avon Bridge? The last to do so? I wrote the article on Warwick School to remove a scurrilous article posted by some pupils of mine. I am the acknowledged expert on the school, but some people will have to quote sources all the time, I suppose. Have you bought and read my book? Do you really trust The Guardian to quote the new Head of Science as if he was speaking with authority on behalf of the school? I have complete control over the picture archive of the school, and have several wonderful aerial shots, among others. As for Mora Clocks, I wrote a short paragraph so that others can pick up on it and improve it. Isn't that the point? G N Frykman 09:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

  • You have me confused with someone else.

    Whom I trust isn't relevant here. As for Mora Clocks: No, it isn't the point. Citing sources is partly what actually enables editors to "pick up and improve" one-paragraph articles. If they don't know where to go for information, they cannot expand articles. Citing sources doesn't just help readers. It helps editors, too.

    If any of those aerial shots are released into the public domain, or licensed under the GFDL, by the copyright owner then please upload them to the Wikimedia Commons so that we can use them. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 23:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

    • Sorry to have confused you with an old pupil of mine.

      Personally I feel that articles written by people who know something about the subject are better than those written for fun, or by people with too much internet time on their hands...!

      I will search my own pictures of Warwick School for suitable images to upload. I shall be very happy to "donate" them. G N Frykman 14:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

      • You're probably confusing me with Jonathan Pollard, which, to quote Michael Flanders, "isn't quite the name". Let me offer a counterexample: I've written articles for fun, and I've received a barnstar for doing so. See below. (-: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 01:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I see that the Warwick School article is being attacked by disgruntled pupils of the school again. Thanks for your help in removing any vandalism. There are plenty of images ready for insertion in the next couple of weeks.G N Frykman 23:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

  • The bane of school articles is that they are magnets for unverifiable original research by pupils of the schools concerned. Unless it made headlines in a publicly archived newspaper, there's simply no way that the rest of the world can verify that someone confiscated N scarves on day D. Such additions are not really vandalism, though. They are merely unencyclopaedic. Vandalism is a different kettle of fish. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 01:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I like the way that you call attention-seeking teenagers experimenting with mild attacks on their school and its staff "unverifiable original research"! It does seem, though, that there are enough people "out there" who think that an article on Warwick School should be just that! The school, as with all others, is very, very conscious of its public image, and a sensible Wikiarticle can only be a good thing.G N Frykman 09:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC) Thanks for reverting the vandalism by pupils of Warwick School. They give the game away by referring to "Nebuchadnezzar", which they think is my middle name.G N Frykman 18:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orchids of Western Australia

Thanks for your quick work on this stub. --Apyule 07:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removing cleanup?

Why did you remove the cleanup notice from the Simson Garfinkel article? Do you disagree that it needs more work? I was also perplexed by your edit comment: It's self-contradictory to say that one is cleaning up by adding a cleanup notice. What is that intended to mean? I'll wait a little bit before restoring the cleanup notice. I think it's still needed, but maybe you can explain to me why it is not. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 20:07, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

It's quite clear what it means. You said that you were cleaning up the article, but in fact you added a cleanup tag rather than removed one — along with adding a whole load of errors that I've just had to fix, to boot. You didn't do any cleanup at all. You did expansion. I've just had to clean up your expansion that you mis-labelled as cleanup. Moreover: The burden is on you to explain why you think that the article requires cleanup, which you didn't. There are lots of specific cleanup tags, and there is an edit summary field and a talk page for you to explain why cleanup is needed. What the article actually requires is expansion, not cleanup. Ironically, you removed the tag (that I originally added) stating that very thing. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20:23, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I did not remove any tag. And moreover, you are mistaken about the meaning of "cleanup" (I did a little bit of it after putting the tag in). However, given that you've done some positive work on the article, despite your rather combative tone above, I'll go ahead and defer to your desire to not have a cleanup tag in the article (at least for now... which in practice means for a couple weeks, since I'm going out of town tomorrow). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 23:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

An Award
I award this Tireless Contributor Barnstar to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard for his fantastic rewrites in saving articles from deletion.

--howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 17:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

  • pull cord and The Prisoner Of Chillon were still deleted, though. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 01:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Can't win 'em all, I suppose. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 07:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Minus zero

Thank you very much for correcting my misguided removal at −0 (number). I should have looked way back in the history and/or thought a bit more. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 04:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick work!

➨ ЯEDVERS awards this Barnstar to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard for creating a great stub to replace some lousy spam.
➨ ЯEDVERS awards this Barnstar to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard for creating a great stub to replace some lousy spam.

[edit] Sidney Stringer School

Good work on getting this article cleaned up and expanded so quickly. When I came upon this article, it had been vandlized so completely and for such a long period of time, the damage looked irreversible. I have just withdrawn my nomination for deletion based on your work. Thanks for your contributions! SquidSK (1MC•log) 04:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pukka Pies

Thanks so much for your wonderful work on the Pukka Pies article, I'm much in your debt.

[edit] Pukka Pies Prodding

I have no objection to your removal of the prod per se, I'd just prefer you not to misrepresent the issue. The tag was added because the only assertion of notability in the article was someone saying "The pies are among the most popular in the UK". Now, I can say that or you can say that and stick it up on the internet and it doesn't necessarily make it true. That was the objection I was raising, rather than the nonsensical one you're attempting to ascribe to me. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Your notice is there for all to read. You wanted the article deleted because of "the say-so of one cited source". The notice says that "If you can address this concern by [...] sourcing [...] the page [...]". Since the article was already sourced, your objection clearly was nonsensical, since it contradicted the very notice that you employed. The only misrepresentation here is the one of your placing the cited source, an article published in Bake & Take magazine, in the same category as "something that you or I can say and stick up on the internet". Not everything with a URL has been through the same publication process. Something that you or I write and add to our personal web sites is not published via the same process as something that has to pass muster before an editor. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 10:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
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