Talk:Jolly Roger
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..just another theory states that the flag was derived from the old austrian flad (white eagle on black ground, which may be mistaken from the far for the Jolly Roger)because Austria at that time issued quite a number of letters of marque. It is at least as sounding as the other proposed theories.
- The theories seem to be discussing where the term for the flag ("Jolly Roger") came from, not where the design on the flag came from. 69.139.96.74 13:04, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] The Jolly Roger
Ok, this has to be one of the vaguest and worst articles I've read in the wiki project. Namely because it dilly dallies about without hitting on accurate points insofar as the history aspect.
The Jolly Roger as the joli rouge is accepted as a fact pretty much these days, the question lies in the fact that two flags were used, one as a heal-to, one as a battle flag. If the Skull and Crossbones didn't stop the opponent, the Jolly Roger was raised. Just because popular disney mentality has brought us into thinking the two flags are one in the same doesn't make it fact.
The Skull and Crossbones flag related article has nothing to do with the flag and is to do with the poison logo, which is another disheartening article altogether. Has anyone suggested a peer review on these two articles?
The S&C was the naval battle flag of the Knights Templars, it re-emerged when quite a few popular admirals cum pirates / privateers utilised one of the symbols of freemasonry, which many were alledged to be a part of, as their battle flag. There's too much ambiguity in this article about that.
Jachin 1 July 2005 08:59 (UTC)
[edit] Other Jolly Rogers?
I think the article could use pictures of the 'alternative' Jolly Rogers Borisblue 06:54, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Testing Watchlist PPGMD 1 July 2005 17:47 (UTC)
"...became the first Royal Navy submarine to fire a cruise missile in anger" - what does "in anger" refers to? Nikola 22:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- IE. Deliberately attempting to cause harm to some opposition. As opposed to test-runs, training, salutes, etc. 68.39.174.238 13:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] SVG
Anyone have the flag picture in SVG format? Frap 19:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Caption
Does anyone have a reference for whether the Jolly Roger signifies a kill or a successful combat mission? Stephen B Streater 22:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] GA Failed
The Good article [[Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations|nomination]] for this page has failed. The article only cites sources for the "Use by submarines" and "Use by United States Navy aviators" sections; every section needs to be sourced. Additional items for improvement include:
- The defintion of the Jolly Roger: is it any pirate flag, or a specific set of pirate flags? Stating that "the Jolly Roger is the traditional flag of European and American pirates" and then providing a long list of variations is confusing and needs to be clarified.
- Several references, including "Chetniks," "Sedlec Ossuary," and "Home Taping is Killing Music," seem as if they belong on the skull and crossbones page instead of this one.
- There is no discussion about the use of the Jolly Roger by specific pirates in the main text of the article -- all of these details are crammed into the introduction. A complete article would contain a section that comprehensively discussed the Jolly Roger's use by pirates.
- The introduction should provide an overview of the entire article, not details about one aspect.
- More images of variations of the Jolly Roger might be of use.
I hope this comments are helpful. Best of luck in your editing! -Alex S 23:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I tried to make a beginning. Weird Bird 08:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
"Pirates and the Lost Templar Fleet" by David Hatcher Childress states that the Jolly Roger, was a masonic symbol used by Knights Templar and symbolically refers to "Baphomet" the head and bones of someone famous to them (ie: Mary Magdelene's bones, John the Baptist's bones, or Jesus' bones. See "The Da Vinci Code.")
[edit] Current legal status
The clerks at the local marine store said that it is illegal to fly the jolly roger in American waters. Anybody know if that is true?
[edit] black beard
The article on black beard says that this flag is erroneous. They conflict.
