User talk:John kirk

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[edit] Jedforest

Hi John. Thanks for your unsigned message. Please remember to sign your posts using ~~~~ (four tildes) on all talk pages if you want a response in future.

To answer your question about your band: the article was deleted by an administrator (not me, although I nominated it for deletion) for two reasons.

1. It was a direct copyright violation from another website. Wikipedia accepts only original, verifiable work. We do not accept text copied directly from another website or source, especially when that source clearly states "© 2005 Jedforest Instrumental Band. All rights reserved." When you entered the text into Wikipedia, you were given a clear message that said "Do not violate any copyright! You agree to license all submissions under the GFDL. Use verifiable sources for encyclopedia content." You did not follow that instruction.
2. Articles on Wikipedia must be of encyclopedic merit. This means they must be about a notable subject and must assert notability for their subject. The copyright violation article in question did not assert notability for the group, so the deleting administrator also quoted one of our speedy deletion criteria, CSD-A7 (failure to assert notability). Additionally, although this was not quoted by the administrator in question, the article failed to meet with one of our standards for inclusion in the encyclopedia - quoted at this page.

In these circumstances, the administrator was entirely correct to delete the article in both respects - either problem was enough - and therefore there seems little that can be done.

Your contributions to Wikipedia are most welcome, so don't let this put you off! Whilst you should not recreate the article, there are plenty of other articles you could work on - we value the knowledge everyone brings to Wikipedia on all subjects.

Below is our standard "welcome" message for new users. It has some helpful links to useful pages that are essential reading for everyone - myself included! ➨ ЯEDVERS 10:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome, John kirk!

➨ ЯEDVERS 10:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

# It was a direct copyright violation from another website. Wikipedia accepts only original, verifiable work. We do not accept text copied directly from another website or source, especially when that source clearly states "© 2005 Jedforest Instrumental Band. All rights reserved." When you entered the text into Wikipedia, you were given a clear message that said "Do not violate any copyright! You agree to license all submissions under the GFDL. Use verifiable sources for encyclopedia content." You did not follow that instruction. # Articles on Wikipedia must be of encyclopedic merit. This means they must be about a notable subject and must assert notability for their subject. The copyright violation article in question did not assert notability for the group, so the deleting administrator also quoted one of our speedy deletion criteria, CSD-A7 (failure to assert notability). Additionally, although this was not quoted by the administrator in question, the article failed to meet with one of our standards for inclusion in the encyclopedia - quoted at this page.

1. I own all the copyright for the website in question. I allow wiki to use any content found on www.jedforestinstrumentalband.org.uk (how do I make this legal?)

2. Notable merit of the JIB is vast. both in historic tearms and recent national achievement. Even to its continuous charitable status since its formation for the very first Border Games in 1854. (one year before the formation of the Dlack Dyke Mills band)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dyke_Mills_Band

john kirk

[edit] Copyright

Hi John. Just to point out, you're making it very difficult to leave messages for you. Please remember to sign your posts using ~~~~ (four tildes) on all talk pages. This produces a full signature with your name and a link to your page. Do this even if you're not logged in - your previous message was both unsigned and unlogged-in, so I had no idea who it was from or how to get in touch with you. It's also a good idea to log-on anyways - there's an option when you do to stay logged in, so it's worth ticking that.

Now, your questions.

1. There are two ways of dealing with this. The easiest from Wikipedia's point of view is for you to drop your copyright claim entirely. On your website, replace the copyright line with "Material is licenced under the GDFL". That means people can use it for anything they like, as long as they link back to you in some way. You lose control of the text but anyone can freely use it wherever they like.

1. Alternatively, you need to contact our copyright department at permissions AT wikimedia DOT org and give your consent to the use of the material by Wikipedia. This also, in effect, means you are licencing the text under the GDFL. That means people can use it for anything they like, as long as they link back to Wikipedia in some way. You lose control of the text but anyone can freely use it wherever they like.
2. Note that this means people can set up parody sites, set up duplicate sites, do whatever they like - and you cannot stop them. You have given away your rights to the text.

1. Now, as for notability. I dare say your organisation does have notability. But you managed to write an entire article that didn't assert that notability even once. It was a nice sales pitch, a useful bit of local information about a local band - but it wasn't an encyclopedia article.

1. So you would need to correct this straight off. The welcome message above has some really useful advice that you really should read. But getting the article included in Wikipedia boils down to making sure you explain fully, clearly and concisely - in the first sentence - why the band is notable. There must be something, some fact or figure that really stands out.
2. Also, make sure the article has lots of relevant links out to other Wikipedia articles so it doesn't look lonely or ophaned. Make sure the article only links to your own website once, clearly at the bottom. But also make sure you provide some nice sources for every assertion you make. So, if you say "the band won the Dixons Motors Award in 1997", link to a newspaper article where that is mentioned, or the awards website where it is mentioned, or a third-party site with that information.

Doing these things is the bare minimum you'll need to do, but it'll help.

One thing you can do, of course, is to start the article in your userspace: User:John kirk/Jedforest Instrumental Band. Slowly and carefully build the article up, bearing in mind the points above. It will be protected from deletion where it stands. Then, when you're sure it's as good as it could be, contact me, or another Wikiperson, or even just type: {{helpme}} on to this page. If you do the latter, someone with experience will show up here and you can ask them to help with having the article checked against WP:MUSIC and WP:NOTABILITY. They'll know what that means, and they'll happily check it (or get someone else to check it). Then, when all is well, they will move the article into the mainspace (ie the encyclopedia) and Bob's your glamorous uncle!

I hope this helps! If you need any more advice, please contact me - but remember to sign your posts using ~~~~ (four tildes) on all talk pages! It really helps! ➨ ЯEDVERS 15:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Quaver.gif listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Quaver.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 12:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)