User:Johnleemk

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We'll just change the rules. I'll just start blocking Nazis at whim if I have to. I'll initiate legal action if appropriate.

If they want to play games with us, fine. This is Calvinball -- we make up the rules, so we win. Easy.

— Jimbo Wales, on how Wikipedia works

Greetings, earthlings and assorted people who found me through Google/Wikipedia. I am first and foremost a mere editor (since mid-2003), but am also a Wikipedia Administrator (since 27 June 2004); as of January 2006, I also clerk for the arbitration committee. Since April 2006, I have been answering mail for the Wikimedia Foundation, and administrating the English Wikipedia Mailing List.

In real life I'm John Lee Ming Keong, a 16-year-old computer nerd from Malaysia. I'm half-Chinese and half-Filipino. I came to Wikipedia after discovering it through Google. Although originally contributing anonymously, I eventually registered this account.

Some people refuse to allow others to edit this page, but I allow and encourage others to do so as long as they do not represent their comments as mine; this is a wiki, after all. I know this userpage is fugly, but since I'm too lazy to make it better, I figured I'd let mob rule create something for me. Indeed, there's a specific section for you to edit if you have something to say about me (good or bad); if it grows too big, I might archive it, though. Yes, I'm talking to you. Go ahead, edit. But for the love of [deity of your choice; preferably the Flying Spaghetti Monster] please don't post pornography (or other offensive material), ASCII art or StUdLyCaPs.

Contents 1 But first, a message from our sponsors... 2 About me and Wikipedia 2.1 Wikipediholicism 2.2 Philosophy 2.3 Conflict 2.4 Contributions 2.5 Other stuff I do 3 What others have to say (about me, damn it!) 4 Mathematical Solution to "How Many Petals Around the Rose?" 5 Miscellany

[edit] But first, a message from our sponsors...

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Biodata

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evil This user is on Daniel Brandt's hivemind. Are you?

This user believes that editors on Wikipedia have no rights except for the right to leave and the right to fork.

This user thinks that which we call apartheid by any other word would sound just as evil.

49 This user page of mine has been vandalised 49 times. (count!)

This user maintains a weblog and internet forum.

This user is a Clerk.

This user has many more userboxes.

This user is a Cabal of One.

Besides editing Wikipedia, I also engage in blogging and forumming; you can find my diaspora of opinions and ramblings at Infernal Ramblings of a Thoughtless Mind (IROATM) and the IROATM Forums, where you can also engage me in non-Wikipedia-related talk, whether on starting a revolution, installing the Apache HTTP Server, criticising my secularist views, or calling me a pussy.

If your appetite is not sated, you may also enjoy the Heavengames forums or Malaysia Today, where I tend to stir up trouble for fun. Before I forget, if you haven't edited a Wikipedia article or downloaded Mozilla Firefox, please do so immediately. And now, we return you to our regular programming.

I, iMeowbot, hereby stick a rusted pointy thing on your page, in recognition of excellence in Beatleogical literature. So there. —the preceding unsigned comment is by iMeowbot (talk • contribs)	Somewhere In Malaysia, there's a barn... Ah, so that's where the Malaysia DYKs are coming from! Bishonen was right when she said you rocked. Anyway, congrats on the rfb so far, I look forward to those Thanksgiving promotions ;-) karmafist 01:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)]]	You have been presented with the Buffalo Skull of Diligence for reverting vandalism on Mandan while it was on the Mainpage, December 9, 2005. Thank you for your watchfulness and diligence! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)	Johnleemk is hereby awarded the Barnstar of Reversion for chasing, reverting and cautioning vandals (and often beating me to it). !מזל טוב from Izehar
Being second on the Wikipedians FA list, you really deserve this medal. For your excellent contributions to articles, I hereby award you the Featured Article Medal. --Terence Ong 15:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)	I, Ganymead, present this barnstar for marvelous contributions in Malaysian politics. I just glanced at your Ketuanan Melayu article and it looks marvelous. I'll look it over in the next few days and see what comments I can give. Cheers! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 04:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About me and Wikipedia

For an autobiography that does not relate to Wikipedia, please see /Bio.

My interests are all over the place; I've read up on everything from the Cultural Revolution to trench warfare. Likewise, in editing, as you can see from my contributions, I am also spread out. Although most of my articles have to do with the Beatles, I've also helped articles like Coca-Cola, Mozilla Firefox and King James Version of the Bible become featured. I have more than 20 featured articles to my name, making me second to Lord Emsworth in the number of most featured articles.

On Wikipedian politics, I believe that we need to keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a knowledge base. For example, just because a topic is verifiable does not make it encyclopedic. The full text of a speech given by Bill Clinton is verifiable, but it's more suited for Wikisource. I also believe we need to keep in mind what's best for Wikipedia, not for some other ideal such as free speech, democracy, deletionism, eventualism, etc. Generally, I'm pretty much a mergist deletionist (merge substubs into larger articles unless they are easily expandable; delete clearly unencyclopedic topics) and moderate immediatist (don't let bad articles linger for too long), although I occasionally vacillate in favour of eventualism, because, after all, we're a wiki. I ran for the position of arbitrator in the December 2004 and garnered 69 votes or 13% of the total vote. I appreciate those who trusted me enough to vote for me, and wish them well.

I strongly subscribe to the Snowball clause, and apply this philosophy to pretty much everything I do on Wikipedia. I also believe in making mistakes, because they can always be corrected.

[edit] Wikipediholicism

My score on the Are You A Wikipediholic Test is 157 as of September 4 2004. I'm officially addicted. It was notably boosted by my dream of editing Wikipedia on August 7. I think the article in question was something about Elizabeth I; a vandal had added some word with "ch" in it at random intervals in the article. I don't know why I didn't revert it. I don't even know why I'm thinking about all this.

On October 10, 2004, I stayed up until 3.30 AM on October 11, writing (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction for Danny's contest. It so happens I had an exam on October 11 for Mechanical Arts, and Science. The Mechanical Arts' test results were cancelled because the teacher copied the whole test verbatim from a workbook (see what I meant in /Bio about a sucky education system?). The results for Science were a B or something like that. I forget.

As of December 2005 I am second on the List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations, with 19 articles that I nominated for featured article status succeeding. Several of them were articles I had a hand in writing.

One day when I was bored I wrote m:Really Reformed Church of Wikipedia. Yay.

[edit] Philosophy

First off, I'm a waffler on this, just like I am on just about every issue. As of this writing, I'm lazy to repeat the stuff I've written on the mailing list, so let me just say that I'm both a member of the Association of Deletionist Wikipedians, Association of Mergist Wikipedians and Association of Apathetic Wikipedians, and that although I generally support deletionism, there are exclusions to my views — for example, I think we should keep information on schools, just not in their separate articles, unless the information is sufficiently large enough to warrant a separate article for the school. I no longer actively browse through WP:VFD/AFD (see below for why).

I've drafted a proposal for reducing the size of VFD. For some ideas on how big it is, check out /VfD statistics.

I just realised that I have expressed eventualism before, so I should clarify my position. Some subjects are so general that they don't have any parent article they can be merged into (i.e., we couldn't merge a substub about George W. Bush into any other article), and finding information to improve the article in question is often a snap. When doing so is much harder (most common case: schools), then I support either deleting the article or merging it with a similar article (if possible).

I strongly believe that Wikipedia should be a free encyclopaedia, and have written an explanation of why we should reduce our excess reliance on fair use images, which not only have the potential to get Wikipedia in legal trouble, but also reduce the potential for reusing and redistributing Wikipedia. I also have some editorial standards of my own, such as those relating to unencyclopedic trivia.

[edit] Conflict

With a community as large as Wikipedia's it's not surprising people will eventually get into a feud. I've had some scuffles, but nothing serious:

• Drbalaji md — Kept adding POV remarks to Coca-Cola. After an RfC was filed, left.
• Malbear — We had a disagreement on the content of several articles relating to discrimination in Malaysia. I don't think the disputes were ever tied up, but I don't mind.
• Everyking — We agreed that spinoff singles from Autobiography (album) should be kept, but disagreed over the "fancruft" from the article and the articles spawned in order to reduce the size of the main article (i.e. the now deleted Autobiography album design or Autobiography sales and chart positions, which was kept). I've prepared some statistics on /Autobiography dispute, but I've also decided to get the hell out of this dispute like many others have.

I don't believe in driving away editors unless they edit in bad faith. As long as anyone edits in good faith, the possibility exists for them to become an integral part of the Wikipedian community. I am friendly and cheerful as long as you remain the same way and/or prove you are willing to change or compromise based on a community consensus. Being deferent to other editors doesn't hurt either (although I may seem hostile, I rarely revert unless an edit's outright vandalism: I believe actions speak louder than words).

[edit] Contributions

Main article: /Contribution list

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I'm most well-known for my work on Beatles-related articles. I don't have any one favourite, but I'd like to think Yesterday (song) (my first Beatles-related featured article) has some of the best work I did. Lately I've been helping out with articles related to "Malay rights" like Ketuanan Melayu. I'm also fanatic about citing sources for our articles.

I'm a member of the WikiProject Fact and Reference Check, as I feel one of Wikipedia's major flaws is its lack of extensive referencing. I do my best to add a reference to every article I edit, and I hope the example I set by citing sources will encourage others to do the same. I think many are unaware that you can cite internet webpages as sources, which is rather unfortunate, as citing such sources would at least give Wikipedia some credibility. As long as people remain unsure about where our information comes from, there will be a lot of critics eager to pound us for not being credible enough. Besides vandalism, I feel the greatest cause of our loss of credibility is insufficient referencing.

I like to think my campaign for referencing is having an impact, as I've seen more and more articles related to Malaysia that have references I didn't add. It's still too early to tell, though.

[edit] Other stuff I do

I'm very involved (or perhaps observant) in how Wikipedia is run; I subscribe to the WikiEN-l and Wikipedia-l mailing lists (and read every piece of mail on them, daily). I have WP:FAC (among others) on my watchlist (I used to have others like WP:VP, but they grew too big for me to monitor), and I make an effort to read and participate in interesting conversations regarding Wikipedia policy. I did burn out after a tiff with Everyking and went on a semi-Wikibreak (the fact that I lost internet access for nine months after the incident didn't help either), but I'm back (as of November 2005), and trying to get back into the routine of helping out in the community.

Although when I requested for sysoping I originally said I would maintain VfD (now called AFD), it's hell out there. Unless you have a lot of time and a lot of energy, take it easy on maintaining VfD. I overworked myself originally, dealing with nominations on WP:VFD/Old like heck, but thanks to that, now I have such an extreme distaste for VfD, I can rarely even bring myself to vote. This has also led to my somewhat high level of Wikistress. There's also a lot of procedure involved in running VfD — contrary to what you might think, it's not just deleting an article and removing the discussion from VfD. Oh, no. You have to link it from the archive, and add notices that the discussion is no longer live to the discussion itself, a rather tiring job if done often, and often thankless as well (but such are the jobs of Wikipedia's unsung heroes — I salute those who are willing to take up this heavy burden).

So, how do I use my sysop powers? Well, I rarely use them, actually. I'm an occasional Recent Changes patroller, and I do speedy delete articles, or rollback vandalism, a much easier job than running the behemoth that is VfD.

[edit] What others have to say (about me, damn it!)

Say something here, damn it. Johnleemk | Talk 17:27, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you want to comment on something other than me or my views of stuff outside Wikipedia please use my talk page. The message will get through a lot faster, especially as the talk page is specifically devoted to Wikipedia-related matters. Johnleemk | Talk 11:01, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• Well since you want people to say something here, I'll probably do it anyway. I am just commenting about your remark on how you wouldn't vote for the Malaysian Opposition if you could because they are opposing for the sake of opposing: that would be a major reason to vote. It sounds pointless at first, but the idea is to maintain a convenience to impose a check or balance at any time should something go really awry, especially needed in a representative democracy (which isn't a true democracy at all, really) and especially even more where the ruling party is much more dominant than on average. This would instill a form of check against the ruling party, a launchpad which you can build other preferred policies that would otherwise not take place because of the urge to remain in status quo. Supporting the opposition for the very sake of opposing is a way to remove un-needed inertia. Plus, despite the different issues at hand between my country and yours, we both have rather domineering ruling parties, so please permit this empathic comment. Of course if it becomes way too unwieldy or very pointless I would advocate another form of change, but it is irrelevant at this time. -- Natalinasmpf 21:31, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Hi. Simfish 01:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Hi, Johnleemk. With regard to your political/philosophical leanings, I'm not qualified to talk about what is "right," in the moral sense, but I would like to point out that, when confronted with a problem of scarcity, the free market has been demonstrated time and again to be an excellent solution. Healthcare, education, et al, are no more novel than windshield wiper fluid in this regard. The task of optimization of resources is better left in invisible hands than in the hands of some committee. "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Why people don't see this is more or less beyond me, but my guess is that those who don't are confused somehow by the fact that healthcare and education are more "important" than windshield wiper fluid. That doesn't chance the efficacy of the price system, however, it just changes the price. Dr. Ebola
  • I'm not in the mood for a long answer, so long story short: The free market is not always right. It's right most of the time, but sometimes it just fails. See market failure. Johnleemk | Talk 13:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
• Reuben was here. =D I dun understand how dis site works... U mean i can jus delete dis whole pg? I dun even need 2 be a member?
  • Yes, Reuben. It's unethical, and will be reverted, though. Johnleemk | Talk 13:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
• I like it when people encourage others to edit their user page :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson
• Hello from Singapore. Your photo looks good. :D -- Kimchi.sg | Talk 11:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
• In order to really make your range of interests really wide - start editing science articles. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 21:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
• Hi, just asking about the solution of "How Many Petals around the Rose"... Was it how you originally figured out the solution, or was it just the mathematical algorithm of deriving the answer? (Spoiler deleted by author)--youngyew 09:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi again, thanks for your answer in my talk page. Haha, it's said that the smarter you are, the longer it takes for you to figure it out. :D --youngyew 15:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Hi, I like your user page. :P --Terence Ong ^Talk 16:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Mister Lee is hereby branded the founder of JohnLeeMK-ism, for his super hip excuse for editing
  I can't bear to vandalise, let me place my edit on your page.
  Tan DX 06:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Im happy that u helped to save "Bosnian Nationasim" page,since there is Serbian Nationasim as well,so its only justice. I would delete Serbian Nationalism ,but every time I do I get blocked for a few hours,so I cant do it Dzoni 20:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Hi, I'm from Malaysia. Good job especially seeing that you're so young. About UMNO and the opposition, politics are such headaches. Our chinese education suffered a lot in this country yet we still persevere and can still live till today. It was very closely connected with politics. I just wish someone can post something about our chinese education history as I don't have the ability to do it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.49.124.61 (talk • contribs) .
  • I'm not a big fan of Chinese education. It causes more problems than it solves, IMO. Some editors have written quite a bit about the independent Chinese schools at Education in Malaysia, though. Johnleemk | Talk 13:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Hi from Malaysia. Good job on your unbiased contributions to Wikipedia. - Kriskhaira 09:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Good stuff, young but wise with ripe opinions. There is no hiding your potential. Hope your parents are rich or good luck getting into local Malaysian universities :-)
• good article on ketuanan melayu but a slight bias on the outloook. should see it on the malay viewpoint too. the mason analogy is crude but serves as an effective example. krojb
• the education system can't be all that bad if talents as yourself can be nurtured (I'm assuming you are a product of the national education system)... there is hope yet. - pyxarn
• (Thanks for telling me about the blog URL http:// thingy) Well, just to stop by and say that...... oh my God you're really a wikipediholic! Not to mention that you're seriously a computer nerd, judging from your user page -- all those complicated...... texts (text is not an appopriate word actually). I just know nothing about all those heh. Yurei-eggtart 07:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

What happened to IROATM? - Reuben

[edit] Mathematical Solution to "How Many Petals Around the Rose?"

If you don't know what this is doing here, don't ask.

Count the sum of the numbers on each die that is odd, i.e. if the first die is 5, the second die 2, the third die 3, the fourth die six and the last dice two, add 5 and 3. Then subtract from that the total of odd die there are - which is two in our example above. That's the number of petals around the rose.

[edit] Miscellany

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