Talk:John Locke (Lost)
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[edit] "No, Luke. I am your father."
Wild and baseless speculation of the week: Given the show's thematic obsession with fatherhood, the tendency of main characters to be interconnected in surprising ways and the fact that Locke is the oldest protagonist on the show, I have a hunch that the island's spiritual leader will be revealed to be somebody's daddy. Most likely candidate to play the role of Anakin's love child: Claire. Runner-up: Boone. Thoughts? 152.163.100.74 14:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia_is_not_a_publisher_of_original_thought, nor is it a chat room. Please use article Talk pages for discussion of how to improve the article, not to float silly theories. —LeFlyman 17:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ha! So I was right...it is a wild and baseless speculation! (Go ahead and delete this section. I just wanted to document my silly theory so that, in the unlikely event I'm proven correct, I can dig through the history of this page and prove I said it first. Except I'm an anonymous user and it won't prove anything. C'est la vie.) 64.12.116.74 13:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Damn! I thought that might be the case, I should have put that theory in. User:FreemDeem I heard that his father was called Andy Miller, it was a hidden clue in Season 1, episode 13...
[edit] Questions about Helen
Did Helen and Locke actually have a relationship? From the episode "Walkabout" I assumed that Helen was just a woman who worked for a phone sex company who Locke called a lot because he was lonely. (I haven't seen any of the second season episodes, I've only read about them here.)
- In the second season episode "Orientation", we see Locke in an actual relationship with a woman named Helen; however, it's not clear whether it's the same person he was on the phone with in "Walkabout". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 09:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
- It's clear that the "Helen" from Walkabout is not the same Helen as introduced later in Orientation. The phone worker stated that they had never met, and had only been taking for a short while. Remember, also, that when Locke bought the tickets to Australia, he had already been a paraplegic for several years:
HELEN: (from phone) John, we've talked about this. I like you.
JOHN LOCKE: (to phone) Yeah. I know.
HELEN: (from phone) And I've enjoyed talking with you these past few months.
JOHN LOCKE: (to phone) So have I. Eight months.
HELEN: (from phone) I'm not allowed to meet customers.
- Likewise, as mentioned before, the telephone "Helen" was never identified as a phone sex operator; she may have been a psychic phone service (albeit the more salacious version is the standard cliche.) —LeFlyman 18:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The line between "Improving the article and floating silly theories"
General Question: I've found that many of the personality traits of the character John Locke (Seemingly superhuman skills in the art of hunting and tracking in the wild, his near endless knowledge and experiences of everything, highly sympathetic "nice guy" tendencies etc.) could be enough to stamp him as a "Gary Stu"-character (For more information please refer to the Mary Sue-article, look under the Gary Stu-section). Now, would this question be contributing to "improving the article", or am I just "floating a silly theory"? (81.232.114.123)
If you read Wikipedia's policy on No Original Research, you'd have your answer.—LeFlyman 20:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay thanks! But hey, if it weren't for at least a little "Original Research" from time to time, we would still be living in huts!
Ha ha ha Leflymann you've told him off for speculating yet in the topic immeadiately above you yourself speculate about the Helen Locke was talking to on the telephone!
Instead of just saying her profession wasn't defined and leaving it at that you've gone on to speculate. How do you spell hypocrisy again? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.104.107.189 (talk • contribs) March 14, 2006.
- Um, let's be respectful here (and it would help if you'd sign your remarks, by the way). Leflyman did his speculating here on the Talk page, not in the article. There's no need to throw around words like hypocrisy. --PKtm 17:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Excessive story-retelling in article
As a fictional biographic article, this does not need to be a complete retelling of every event that the character has been involved with. Thus, I'm reducing the content to the essentials and removing the material that is already covered in the Episode Summaries.—LeFlyman 20:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Colonel
I'm surprised that there has been no mention of Locke's nickname from the Pilot and the First Season flashbacks: "The Colonel." Kaijan 02:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- That's because it was used jokingly in reference to the war game he played with his co-worker, and it was used derisively by "Randy." There's no indication nor suggestion that Locke ever was in the military. --LeFlyman 02:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Of course not. I never suggested he was in the military -- hence the use of the term "nickname". Kaijan 10:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fan Reaction
Perhaps some mention of Locke's popularity amongst the fan base of LOST shoud be mentioned. His board on the Fuselage is easily the largest.IndieJones 23:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sawyer or Boone
The article starts out by saying Locke recounts to Sawyer about his childhood. I don't have the episode on hand (late year 1) but I remember this story being told to Boone. In fact, there's never really been a bonding talk between Locke and Sawyer. Can someone with the episode handy (or a better memory) either verify or correct this bit? Thanks. Spookyadler 14:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Locke recounted his childhood (or, at least, part of it) in 'Outlaws', when Sawyer woke up to find the boar had ravaged his belongings and Locke turned up. SergeantBolt 22:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fate of the Swan
I think that the fate of the Swan shouldn't be put so decisively as "Desmond destroyed the hatch." when in truth we have no idea what did happen to the hatch when Desmond turned the key.
[edit] Guaranteed Survival
He definetly survived the destruction of the hatch because:
a) They're not going to kill off Locke (but that's considered speculation, so ignore that), and
b) In the podcast, the producers stated that the reason why Locke was in a wheelchair will be found out in season 3 - so he's going to have a flashback (unless he's prominent in someone else's, but nevermind that).
[edit] Last flashback appearance
He appeared in Desmonds flashback in "live together, die alone"
[edit] Age
Where did we get Locke's age as being "58" (which is 42 and 16 combined)? He just said he was over forty. Did someone take Terry O'Quinn's age as the age for Locke?- JustPhil
15:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The documentation for the Guns in 'Further Instruction' Shows his d.o.b. to be 11/15/46
- Yet his drivers license in the same episode shows it as 5/30/56. How'd the cop not catch that? -- DocNox 02:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- However, the DOB shown for Locke's mother in Deus Ex Machina (in the flashback with the private investigator) says she was born October 15th 1940, so Locke couldnt have been born in 46. If he was born in 56, it would also give an explanation as to why he was put into care. Durnar 17:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Random User (not fixing the problem): Good Point!! LOL i was confused too. --[[User:Storkian|Storkian] 02:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Toys R' Us, not a department store
Upon closer inspection of "Deus Ex Machina" it appears that Locke doesn't work at a department store but more of a toy store. In fact the layout of the store resembles a Toys R' Us and also Locke wears a smock like Toys R' Us employees wear.
[edit] Missing Information: Locke met Nadia (Sayid's childhood friend)
I think in season 1 or two, locke's other job (not the toy store one) he met Nadia which was Sayid's childhood friend. Someone please mention in the article that Locke had seen Nadia but doesn't know that he was actually meeting a friend's old friend. There should be some mention of that in the article. --[[User:Storkian|Storkian] 02:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
