Talk:John Hertz (fan)

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Drhaggis, I don't want to step on your edits, but I wanted to update the John Hertz entry. In particular, I wanted to correct the misapprehension that choreographer is a subset of fan. "John is an all around fan, not just a choreographer", John is known worldwide as a choreographer, and dance instructor, it's not just something that he does as SF conventions. From my perspective, as a both a SF fan, and a dancer, his contributions are much more significant in the dance community. Maybe just take off the (fan) tag and put in separate sections for dance and fandom? - ThomasTThoms

I based my edits on the bio that Mr Hertz provided for a recent convention. The older bio spoke only of his choreography, not to the whole body of works making Mr Hertz a little cross. His inclusion in an encyclopeda must be based on his contributions that are both notable and verifiable. His Hugo nomination and fan wrtiting are both notable and verifiable, and should be the crux of the article.
If you have more verifiable info regarding his work with regency dance, please add it! However his classification/disambiguation of Fan still stands for me. -Dr Haggis - Talk 22:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


Hi Drhaggis,

Thanks for the feedback.

I'll go research. I know the information I want, but I'll go find some verifiable sources.

Tom

[edit] Notability

I'm not seeing enough here to indicate that this subject meets the Notability guideline. Please review guideline and cite relevant sources, if any. Avt tor 16:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

To clarify:
  • fanzine editors are only noteworthy if they have major national or international awards.
  • activity within fandom, per se, is not generally noteworthy, i.e. chairing a Worldcon does not meet the notability standard. I know plenty of people who judge masquerades or who have some unique schtick, but we're not creating Wikipedia pages for everybody in fandom.
Given this, I don't see anything that meets the notability criterion.Avt tor 16:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

He is a heart Awards winner in 2003. [1] but only a Hugo nominee. This seems like enough to push it over the cusp of notability. If the winds blow toward deletion, so be it. -Dr Haggis - Talk 17:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to be circumspect here: I believe that a reasonable person would draw some line between major and minor awards. I also believe that nominations, while perhaps relevant information for a person who is otherwise notable, do not in and of themselves make a person notable. I would ask people to consider whether, for any of the qualifications mentioned, another person with similar qualifications would be considered notable. I do not, generally, see that being the case. I can't say my own opinion is definitive, but I would submit that the small number of opinions likely to be expressed is itself a comment on the notability of this subject.
(This is relevant to me only because I am creating lists of "noteworthy program participants" for Worldcon pages, so I have a slight sense but also seek consensus on this topic.)Avt tor
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