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Removed some apparent copyvio (compare here).

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[edit] Requested move

John Gray (Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus) → John Gray (U.S. author) Much better title. --Hottentot

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  • Support. A much simpler name. – AxSkov (☏) 06:05, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Even if another JG exists who is a US author, I think this one's well enough known to be the primary "John Gray (U.S. author)". --Calair 23:48, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Jonathunder 02:36, 2005 September 10 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 07:31, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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There's nothing here about him but criticism. I mean it's nice to know that his Ph.D. has come under fire and that despite dispensing relationship advice he got divorced, but that doesn't tell us much about the person.

It's like the mass of negative information about Monty Roberts. I'm tempted to cut and paste the bulk of this article onto the talk page and leave a stub. Uncle Ed 17:50, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

This article is a silly ad hominem attack. Gray's books may or may not be pop-psychology bunk, but this stuff about his marital history and professional credentials is almost irrelevant. Only two sentences summarizing his work?

I'm not convinced the marital stuff is relevant, but his professional credentials certainly are. Gray is in the business of dispensing psychological advice, and in the course of that business he has repeatedly chosen to stand on his doctorate. His website offers "relationship advice from Dr John Gray". His books credit him as "John Gray, Ph.D". In an ideal world, maybe he would be judged solely on the quality of his ideas; in the real world, many people are more willing to believe an idea when it comes from somebody with a professional qualification. --Calair 23:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • The Dilbert comicstrip had a joke about a guy who would start a TV show and call himself a doctor - albeit he was not - because then he could call people stupid and they would thank him for it. Patchouli 02:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crummy article

The John Gray page is long on critical REMARKS but short on substance. It says hardly anything about his teachings - other than "men differ from women". And the criticism is, "That's a simplistic stereotype." --Uncle Ed 14:59, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

There's some more information about his teachings at Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus - it's not particularly well-written, but it certainly has more detail about Gray's ideas than this article does. Likewise, it expands on the criticisms of those ideas.
Duplicating that discussion doesn't seem like a useful thing to do, but what about merging the two pages? If he'd written a wide range of unrelated books it'd make sense to discuss each of them separately, but the ideas presented in 'Mars and Venus' are at the heart of just about everything Gray's done since; I think it makes more sense to discuss them here, as a body of work, than have an individual page for each book.
The criticism of his ideas belongs in the same place as discussion of those ideas, whether that's in the Mars & Venus article or here. Material about his qualifications should be in this article. --Calair 22:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I vote to merge Mars & Venus into John Gray. This combined article could begin with his bio, the controversy over his degree, and then launch into his views and critical respons:

  1. Gray's background
  2. Gray and his PhD
  3. Gray's psychological views about gender differences
  4. Critical respones to Gray's views

Good outline? --Uncle Ed 01:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Works for me. --Calair 03:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth

In what year was John Gray born?Patchouli 02:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The article says 1951. --Calair 05:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name on Identification Card

This John Gray his pseudonym?Patchouli 22:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

  • No, John Gray is his real name. He goes by Johnny Gray in real life, or that's what the family calls him. I met him at a family reunion a few years ago. One of our great aunts was at the time very old and had a lot of health issues (she has since passed away), and he got everyone's attention in the family so that he could do some kind of eastern magic on this aunt. This was in Sedona, where there are supposedly "lane lines" of energy coming together. He was wearing a very unattractive V-neck shirt which showed his chest hair at the time--I remember it distinctly. He has scraggly hair, and one of the Grays there, this guy with long black hair who was supposedly one of our cousins, lamented to my prepubescent sister that "there are so many hot girls here! Too bad I'm related to them all!" I hope someone found this useful or entertaining.

Nonetheless, some of his writing is ingeniously valid! Like the point system.

[edit] CPU Accreditation

CPU was never accredited. At one time it held California approval but was never accredited. I propose changing the parenthetical comment, (although it is not clear whether these degrees were ever accredited) to (approved in California by the CPPVE but always unaccredited). Bill Huffman 19:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok.--72.202.129.98 08:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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