Talk:Johannes Ciconia

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I realize the possibility that anyone else will read this is extremely remote, but there are serious biographical issues that need to be resolved here. Hoppin (under References) has a detailed account of Ciconia's life. The substantial article in the 1980 Grove differs considerably from it in detail, and the even more substantial article in the 2001 Grove is different yet again. This is going to take some sorting out. Current research tends to the thought that there were two Johannes Ciconias: the father born around 1335 and the son around 1370. I wrote most of the bio from the Hoppin book. Anyway, needs to be fixed. What is certain is that all the music was by Ciconia junior. Antandrus 05:41, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree: I've just done a research project on Ciconia, and when I have time I'll correct the biography and expand details on his music. DonGoat 16:58, 23 Mar 2005 (BST)

The latest article which summarizes the arguments for and against the c. 1370 birth date is David Fallows in “Ciconia’s last songs and their milieu.” Vendrix, Philippe, editor. Johannes Ciconia: musicien de la transition. Turnhout: Brepols, 2003. pp. 107–130. It should be noted that every musicologist writing in this book accepts the c. 1370 birth date, though as Fallows admits, it's not been definitively proven. The official Library of Congress record still lists Ciconia ca. 1335-1412. The argument can be seen in the titles of works, such as: Clercx-Lejeune, Suzanne. “Ancora su Johannes Ciconia (1335-1411),” vs. Kreutziger-Herr, Annette. Johannes Ciconia (ca.1370–1412): Komponieren in einer Kultur des Wortes, Hamburger Beiträge zur Musikwissenschaft 39. Hamburg: Verlag der Musikalienhandlung K.D. Wagner, 1991. --Myke Cuthbert 15:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)