Talk:Johan Cruijff

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Cruijfism are brilliant and pure logic eh? ;-) Well, I can't tell for sure if that's sarcasm or not, but I'm not sure how else you could call them (else I'd edit) . Definately strange :-) Kim Bruning 21:52, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Also: Full name would be Hendrik Johannes Cruijff. Why "Johan" became the commonly-used name, and why some write Cruijff and other write Cruyff, and both seem legally correct?

Originally, his family name used to be Cruijff, but outside the Netherlands Cruyff is much easier to pronounce.217.68.50.10

Johan (and Jan) are short for Johannes

I'd like to see a bit more on what positions he played and what he was good at. Was he an exponent of total football as a player, or just later on as a coach? The article doesn't mention where he played except off on the right and it would be nice to see more about his style of play / what made him so exceptional. Sapoguapo 22:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

that's a pretty horrible photo of him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.65.173.130 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 7 July 2006.

Contents 1 Dutch text 2 Reasons for not playing in the WC 1978 3 Spelling of the name 4 His Height: How tall was Cruijff

[edit] Dutch text

In the English Wikipedia users are not assumed to be able to speak any language than other English and quotes are generally only given in English. See Del_piero#Quotes or Messi#Quotes for precedents. Everyone is assumed to be able to speak English on enWP so the Dutch text is redundant even for Dutch readers. --Zoz (t) 15:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. On the other hand, keeping the original text there alongside the translation allows readers of both languages to verify the translation. In general, taking correct info out of articles is best avoided I think. --Guinnog 15:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, we shouldn't take out correct info, but in this case we don't lose any information at all if we take out the Dutch text. And here the Dutch text takes up a considerable amount of space - e.g here:

• "I don't want to be a thief of my own wallet" ("Ik wil geen dief van mijn eigen portemonnee zijn") - on moving from Ajax Amsterdam to Barcelona.

you are forced to skim through the Dutch version even if you can't read Dutch. I think that inconvenience for all the users who can't speak Dutch is not compensated by the fact that Dutch-speaking users can read the (same) quote in 2 languages. --Zoz (t) 15:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I do see what you mean here, but I feel the retention of the original text makes the quotes look better. I'll try putting them in italics, see if that makes it more readable. --Guinnog 22:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I tried to make it more readable without removing the original text, even though I'm still in favor of removing it, since that would make the section even more readable. --Zoz (t) 11:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for not playing in the WC 1978

The article states that Cruyff didn't play the 1978 world cup because of the new regime in Argentina. That's just not true. Cruyff made the decision already in 1974, the night before the WC final. He stated to the press that it was his wifes wish that the didn't play any more world cups. There was a scandal involving some of the dutch players the night before the semi final against brazil, the pool incident. The players had a pool party with german women and a german news paper printed it. No-one realy knows who took part in it, all of the players wifes says that the party did take place but their husband didn't participate :) Cruyff had to talk to his wife Dani for hours the night before the final and promise that he wouldn't go to Argentina in 1978.

Cruyff played for Barclelona in Spain at that time, the Franco-led fascist country, so refusing to go to Argentina of that reason makes no sense (sometimes Cruyff made no sense at all but that's a different story).

Source: What i remember from the book "Brilliant orange" by david winner --Krautex

Hmmm. FIFA seems to think otherwise: "The great support for the home team helped carry them to victory over the Netherlands in the final, Cruyff having turned his back as he refused to travel to Argentina because of the political situation." [1]

FWIW too I remember it being widely reported in the press at the time. --Guinnog 16:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't even born in 1974 but my father also remembers the pool party articles. --Krautex

I've always been told that he refused to go because he felt the financial bonus in the case of success was too low. Aecis ^{I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive.} 10:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of the name

Is there a reason why the article itself does not use Cruijff consistently, but sometime Cruyff? ChKa 20:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His Height: How tall was Cruijff

Could anybody clarify on his height.He seems to be 6"4' Syddharth 13:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)