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Should this be called "Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow" or something? There are lots of Jocelins in various spellings. Adam Bishop 17:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think that's necessary. This guy is pretty famous, and there aren't many Jocelins without a surname or location name, and besides there is a dab page which I created for this page. The New Advent Encyclopedia also chose the name "Jocelin" for its title page (see here), so I think it's best left at that. Besides, the title Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow would be rare for a famous bishop, and unprecedented amongst Scottish bishops on wiki, and that's ignoring the controvesial subordination of Melrose. Perhaps Jocelin of Melrose would be the least worse new title, but I certainly think the current title is fine. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 17:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Pretty famous to you, maybe :) Perhaps the other Scottish bishops are improperly titled too. I thought it was a Wikipedia convention to include a toponym or epithet in the titles of articles, if the subject is usually known by only one name. Adam Bishop 18:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, this Jocelin is the only Jocelin not to have a surname or geographical epithet. There's simply no need to move him. Moreover, there is no name he could be moved to that would not create confusion. And like I said, the New Advent Encyclopedia also chose to name him simply "Jocelin" (see here). As I am responsible for the majority of articles on Scottish bishops, I can tell you that the other Scottish bishops are named in the same manner as English bishops, see for instance [[1]], that is, they have their name with no title. Introducing a title would cause horrendous problems. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nom on hold

I did some minor grammar fixes, but I just have a couple of small things before I can pass it. Can you work on the lead per WP:LEAD, perhaps expanding to 2 paragraphs that summarizes his accomplishments, etc.? Also, I put one fact tag in there as there was a statement that cried out for a source... Otherwise, well-referenced! plange 03:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see what I can do about that tomorrow. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 03:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been over 7 days and the issues have not been addressed yet so I am removing the nomination. Feel free to re-nominate when you feel its ready.--Konstable 01:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I had forgotten about this. I addressed the issues. I expanded the introduction; regarding the citation request, I made it clearer that the note at the end of the paragraph was designed to cover all the information in the paragraph. I will re-list it. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passed GA

Good work. Looks close to FA quality. Durova 17:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. You think this is close to being a FA? I'm not sure, to be honest, that there is much more info that can be used to expand this article. The only way I can see it being improved is with a good copy-edit. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)