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Jewish history stub

Hi Joe: Please see, and cast your vote at [1] concerning Category:Jewish history-related stubs. Thanks. IZAK 09:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Manual of Style

Jmabel, since you have previously expressed an opinion about the issue of what the Manual of Style has to say about links in the title, I'd like to invite you to talk a look at the further discussion that I have had with User:E Pluribus Anthony at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Links_in_the_title.

I disagree with the "compromise position", which I think reflects only his desire to water down this rule. I would like to hear your view. If you and others are happy with the compromise, then so be it, I will leave it alone. If not, then let's change it back. Regards, Ground Zero | t 17:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

mediation

Hi Joe! I am now involved in a mediation on the History of Belarus. I am mediator and I've tried to take issue by issue. In case that one part does not want to take resond even if initially came to discussion what do you recommend me to do? I have followed the ground rules and applied some negotiations, tactics and so on,...and now the revert war is stopped. I did had a good influence on that page belive me. But can you tell me what to do if only one part had contributed in a very open, democratic approach? If the other part don't come back shall I consider the fact that is satisfied with this? Best regards--Bonaparte talk 22:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Embassador

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=8&q=embassador --- Same thing. --Anittas 06:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

If both spellings are correct, then I'm not sure why one is more acceptable than the other. I will ask about this in an English forum. --Anittas 06:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I trust you, but I also want to know the reason. http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=dictionary&msg=24080.1 --Anittas 07:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

They don't seem to know. In fact, most weren't aware of that variant of spelling. http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=dictionary&msg=24080.1 --Anittas 15:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Like I said, pretty obscure. More common 200-300 years ago, but even then not dominant. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

request

I received the followings lines on my page:

User:Antidote

I see that you have corresponded with this user already. Can you please advise me on his latest actions. There is a List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society. Obviously, that is there for a very specific purpose - part of the series of lists of notable Jews. Antidote has renamed it to List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society. I don't know how to change it back. Can you please do so, and take any other action that may be appropriate. Many thanks. - Poetlister 13:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Please can you look how to put it back? Thankx!--Bonaparte talk 14:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Joe! I solved the problem myself. User:Antidote had moved the page List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society but I solve it! This user makes also controversial edits related to Jews. --Bonaparte talk 08:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Didn't learn his lesson in 2004 Request for Comment

Is the guardian of the OWU page up to his old tricks? Username shifting? Trying to drive OWU page in his (or his sockpuppets) favor? Deleting comments he made to trash other users? Evidently he didn't learn anything in his 2004 RFC and is trying to erase his body of confrontation in the event that one happens. The guilty destroy evidence if they are not watched. Me? I commented on that RFC and took heat from him afterward, but after seeing the escalating manner in which he lashes out, I'm gun shy about using main Wikipedia ID OnceBitten 01:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Uh, speaking of sockpuppets...
No, I'm not pleased at his efforts to alter the record, or his threats of lawsuits, or his other efforts at harrassing people. On the other hand, since it is quite clear who he actually is, I presume he will have the good sense not to escalate this too far, because I can't imagine he would wish this to become a truly public matter. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, it is a bear having stoop to this level, but its the only way to guarantee my personal safety. But hey, at least I acknowledge this ID's purpose. I don't want him to discover my reemerged Wikipedia name, and it shouldn't have to be like this. I'm simply afraid of the user and the lengths to which he goes to discredit people, and engage them in personal attacks. As for who he really is, with an ego as large as his, and the need to artificially inflate his resume, he'll stop at nothing (online) to maintain the charade. Again, keep an eye on his sock puppets. While he makes the first strike, when backed into a corner, they go for the throat. OnceBitten 14:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Amazing. I had an inkling that something was up with the Guardian of the OWU page. Saw what he did today. Typical. Be careful; borderline personalities never learn lessons, they simply repeat the behavior over and over, and believe that they are so clever that no one ever notices. For him its a control/ego matter. I'll bug out, thanks for fighting the good fight. OnceBitten 02:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

U.S. regions

Please review and commetn on the example of the new maps and display on the project talk page. Thanks. -JCarriker 13:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

deeceevoice rfc

Please refrain from inserting racist comments ("cry me a river white boy") into wikipedia. Thanks -Justforasecond 02:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I have to admit that I found the "cry me a river white boy" comment to be unhelpful. — Matt Crypto 12:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

To be brutally honest, my criticism of those of you who are complaining against deeceevoice was not intended to "help" you. It was intended as a statement of opposition to what you are saying. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I meant helpful to the situation in general, not just me. I thought it was inflammatory, and injecting race into a discussion that has nothing — in my view — to do with race. I certainly felt offended by it. But what do you oppose in the RfC, exactly? All I've said is that, "while she does some great work, she still needs to treat other editors with courtesy and respect". That's what I'm saying, and no more. Why do you oppose that? — Matt Crypto 19:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Matt, it's not mainly you who I'm bothered at, and I'm sorry if you are getting lumped. There is a certain element of "lie down with dogs, get up with fleas here". As far as I can tell, you are not particularly racializing the context, your own comments have been basically reasonable, and unlike some people you don't seem to be trying to turn this into a kangaroo court. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
"Lumping" is exactly what happens when you direct racist statements at a group of your fellow editors. To minimize offense to others, you can still self-edit the statement. -Justforasecond 22:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I do think the RfC has been hijacked to an extent. I've a feeling that a number of votes on both sides are simply just "friend" and "enemy" votes, and that for some it seems to have become a battleground over "is Deeceevoice good", which was not my intent — I tried to state clearly that Deecee is, at least in my view, a valued editor. At any rate, I think the RfC would be uglier still if User:Justforasecond had filed it (he let me file it instead). — Matt Crypto 19:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Replied on User:Matt Crypto's user talk page. Just to summarize: I don't think Matt and I are a million miles apart. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

It should be noted that Matt, who may not be a million miles away from you, has *not* made race a part of the discussion. -Justforasecond 22:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Precisely my point. Can you say the same of yourself? -- Jmabel | Talk 22:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

You've inserted "cry me a river white boy". I've inserted nothing similar. I asked you not to insert racist comments. You have not removed this comment or apologized to the editors you've offended. -Justforasecond 23:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I stand by what I wrote. If you genuinely believe that makes me an anti-white racist, feel quite free to start an RfC. Unlike Deeceevoice, I will certainly respond. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: The ghost walks

The history here, and here says you approved this move. Did you? In particular, did you tell him it was OK to edit my talk page comments? If so, fine, I said I'd go with whatever you agreed to. If not, I will revert (or you can). -- Jmabel | Talk 00:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel,
I did agree that I would have no problem with his trying to cover up his past by disassociating his real name from his username on Wikipedia. I hadn't realized that this would involve his editing your talk page, and I specifically noted that I was only agreeing that I had no problem with the change, and that I was not speaking for you or anyone else. Why he thought I gave him permission to edit your talk page without the courtesy of asking you is beyond me.
That said, I agreed with him mainly i) to get him out of my hair, and ii) because the issue is dead and gone and he seems not to want to pick fights anymore. If you wanted to revert him and get into a fight with him, you'd be within your rights, but were it me I wouldn't think it worth my time. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 04:12, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
As long as it is fine with you, it is fine with me. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Request for comment/Pnikolov

I don't understand the history of that page at all. All I see is:

#  19:07, 18 December 2005 Pnikolov
# (cur) (last) 22:10, 12 November 2004 Jmabel (Wikipedia:Request for comment/Pnikolov moved to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pnikolov)

I assume this is to do with the page move(s). Your edit looked like it made a redirect from /Pnikolov to /Pnikolov, which doesn't make sense (I get it, it was the lack of an 's' after 'request'). Anyway, I'll redirect to /Xiangpingowu. Does that make sense? — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 14:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Wait, what?? He's editing as Pnikolov, Rananim and Xiangpingowu?? This is ridiculous. I thought I wouldn't ever have to talk with him again, but I had understood from my long conversation with him that he'd be moving the RfC and references to whatever username he uses now, and not hide it by inventing some unknown user.

This is absurd, but I guess I brought it upon myself by dealing with him. I'm moving everything to one identity, Rananim (since that's the one he uses most), and redirect everything to do with his other personas there. I'll also disabuse him from the notion that he has any sort of protection though his "agreement" with me. Jeeze. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 14:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Everything has been moved to Rananim. I believe from email exchanges that this should settle the matter. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC)

RFC on User:Antidote

Hello, I believe this person was responsible for mass voting on Catholic, Jewish and Serbs articles and numerous other disruptions including arbitrarily changing population numbers and removing people from lists dating back to March, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Antidote and Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Antidote/Contribution_table and Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Antidote/User_comments. I would appreciate if you could endorse the request for comment at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary, Regards, Arniep 15:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your input on this, I endorsed your summary. The List of Jewish Fellows of the Royal Society was the first list the user picked on, voting 6 times on the first afd (once after the debate was closed), and 4 times on the second nomination. When that failed they requested a deletion review (I have added details on this to the voting history section here Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Evidence_of_disputed_behavior). Have a look at this page detailing the user's multiple voting history if you haven't already Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Antidote/Voting. This user really cannot be allowed to carry on like this. Arniep 14:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

New US regional maps

The new maps are now available on the map page. Please review them and my post on its talk page. Suggestions and comments are highly encouraged. -JCarriker 17:57, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

AfD's on WP:PNT

As per your recommendation, I've been making AfD nominations for some of the older, entries on WP:PNT. I intent do keep going until I catch up to the two-week mark, skipping articles that have at least had some work on them. Since you used to do this maintainance, please let me know if my practice is consitent with yours.

Also, if I find and article on WP:PNT which has been translated, speedied, deleted, or otherwise taken care of -- but that is still in the main list -- should it be deleted? or moved to the "done/needs attention" list for a few days so contributors can see the updated status?

Jamie 04:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments on my userpage. Let me know if I'm going the right way will the AfD's, since I'm going to do a whole bunch of them... Jamie 04:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Example: diff of WP:PNT, AfD nomination. Then I plan to leave the entry in WP:PNT alone, pending the outcome on AfD. I've done something like this for all entries before Nov 27 (two weeks ago), except where there's some hope or progress. Jamie 05:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Stephen the Great

You said: (moving another honorific version of his name; more appropriate to mention here than at Republic of Moldova)

Why would it be appropriate at all, to mention this in the Republic of Moldova article? What does one thing have to do with another? --Anittas 05:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you moved from the Republic of M. article to that article, but okay. --Anittas 05:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Vote

Hi Joe, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Etymology of the word Jew. Thanks. IZAK 10:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Basque diaspora

if you've read the article closely you'll know that this article talks about Basque people, for which there is an article beyond that the article Basque diaspora is so short it doesn't make sense to me, to keep it as an article in and of itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Briaboru (talk • contribs) 13 Dec 2005.

Okay

Start a RfC on me. --Anittas 01:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote on my RfA!

Hey Jmabel/Archive 27! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Tomertalk

"Cry me a river, white boy"

I especially suggest you might want to look at what went on at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Deeceevoice. From things you've written in the past, it really surprises me that you think I was out of line for telling a bunch of white men to stop whining that some snarky, but not particularly mean remarks by Deeceevoice somehow make Wikipedia a hostile environment for them. Yes, deeceevoice could be more civil, and I've said as much to her myself, but nothing she has ever done approaches the level of vitriol poured out against her in this RfC, let alone what has been done to her other times, presumably by other people: swastikas on her talk page, things like that. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

You must be confused. I have a simple creed in such affairs, that is to treat people equally. - Xed 09:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, that's nothing... you should see (---)

Saliut J., Shi mai fashi? Cum la tini? Tat ii ghini?

I saw the RfC you started against Anittas. Seriously, compared to some of the other anti-Semitic and homophobic remarks that talkpage has witnessed, that's really minor. Just yesterday, Duca (or was it Goie? I get them confused) posted something to it saying that I shouldn't be allowed to edit because I'm Jewish and gay. Bonaparte commended him for his courage...

And that's just in the last couple of days.

Node 09:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, don't cry wolf. It trivializes the issue. - Xed 09:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
What, so I should start an RfC against every homophobic and gay remark they make? I several times told them to knock it off, and that if they had a complaint against Node they should start an RfC against him. Instead, they kept insulting him. Anittas remark came less than three hours after I had last warned people to knock it off. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
No, of course not. The point was that of all the comments on that page to start an RfC on, you chose one of the mildest possible. --Node
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.35.52.232 (talk • contribs) 13 Dec 2005.
The person who left the previous remark was not signed in, so I have no way to know if it was, indeed, Node. Proceeding on the assumption that it was: Node, you could have added an outside view to the RfC. You apparently chose not to. Please don't criticize me for not carrying enough of your water for you. As I've made clear in the comments on the RfC, this was the remark that pushed my buttons, and it also was the one made less than three hours after I had clearly asked people to knock it off. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
(yes, it was me) Joe, you're completely misunderstanding where I'm coming from on this. I'm not criticising you for anything. And didn't any of the other anti-Semitic remarks push your buttons? --Node 00:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Makes sense. I've been physically attacked, yes, but never because I'm Jewish or because I'm gay. Anyhow, Xed added an outside view stating that you agreed to withdraw your remarks (!!!) and Anittas agreed to "forget about the whole thing"... why would Anittas forget about the whole thing, as if he were the victim here? That summary seems suspicious... --Node 02:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment on your work with car_sharing (---)

You are doing a fine job in your oversight of the carsharing rubric, and your treatment of the ridesharing/carpooling/etc. distinction with carsharing per se is right on target. I have gone in to “clean up and extend” (I hope that the right way to put it, the external links, so that they start with the overall world wide reference source (World Carshare at http://worldcarshare.com) and then go on to provide direct links to the main regional then national sources of information, etc. on this interesting topic. I feel however that I should coordinate with you before taking this any further, so here I am when and if you need a hand. Eric Britton, the New Mobility Agenda at http://www.newmobility.org, Paris. (PS. You may be interested to see on the latest world listing (last item in the current external sources) that these is now a Carsharing Catalonia.) ericbritton 09:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

NO WAY!

Why should I retract any remarks on discussion pages? I was told that personal opinions go on the discussion pages. So, NO, I will not retract my remarks. The remarks are valid in my estimation. If the Right-Wingers can't handle a big dose of the truth that is their problem, not mine. Also, it is strictly against my 1st Amendment rights in OUR U.S. Constitution to have my opinion pulled. There are opinions on some of these Discussion Pages that I don't like one bit. So I'd advise you to stop asking folks to give their 1st Amendment Rights away.

User: bumpusmills1 13 December 2005 07:24 AM Central Time

Most right-wings(the new-born evangelists) are filth. Well, done, Bump. There you have it, Jmabel. More material for your RfC. ;) --Anittas 13:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

If anyone wishes to start an RfC over Bumpus' vitriolic remarks, I will gladly sign on. I just started one yesterday for the first time in my two years on Wikipedia. I am not going to start another one today. And, let me be clear, I started an RfC against you, Anittas, only because you would not take the middle ground allowed by my message to you. You could have ignored me and desisted from the behavior, and the matter would have ended there. But you told me to start an RfC. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead if you'd like. It isn't going to change anything. It will only make my views of against right-wingers stronger! Furthermore, it will give me more ammunition to fight with as well.

User: bumpusmills1 13 December 2005

Wow, having a left social democrat protest your incivility will only make your "views of against" (?) right-wingers stronger? A bit of a non sequitur. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


If you are, indeed, a liberal then what is your deal with my comments? User: bumpusmills1

Your incivility. Period. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

You do not know me, but I can tell you I enjoy a good fight. If I think a cause is worth fighting for I'm ready. Incivility is not a word I use in my vocabulary. I use words like smart ass etc. I'm not a polished, sophicated person. I'm just an ole boy from the country who is tired of right-wingers and the like pushing others around to achieve their infantile agendas. User: bumpusmills1


OK. I tell you Joe start an RfC against Anti-Romanian remarks of Node. Will you do this? --Bonaparte talk 18:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not the district attorney. Just because I started one (apparently quickly settled) RfC after over two years on Wikipedia does not obligate me to now start an RfC about everyone I think could improve their conduct. (For the record, I have signed on to or given outside views on, somewhere between 8 and 15 RfCs in that time; I haven't been keeping count. But to the best of my recollection, this is the first one I've started. It just might be the second, I honestly can't recall.) - Jmabel | Talk 21:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I have been encouraging you and others to start an RfC about Node rather than insult him on talk pages. I continue to encourage you to do so. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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