Talk:Jiroft civilization

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Innit a bit too early to consider this a Kingdom? Prof. Majidzadeh seems to be in a hurry to introduce a new civilisation, but let's keep our heads on our shoulders. No real evidence that Shahr-e Sukhte is really related to the Jiroft. I think placing this in the official chronology of Iranian History is a bit pre-mature... --Khodadad 09:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

There was a central form of government there. That is for certain. Some of the earthernware there pays direct homage to high figures of authority. That aside, "Kingdom" is better than saying "empire", isnt it? Or perhaps we should just use the word "tamaddon e jiroft" as Iran Cultural Heritage Organization does. The National Museum of Iran catalog on Jiroft's discovered earthernware talks about Shahr-i Sukhteh as well. Perhaps we can add a comment that it necessarily may not be the same as the halilrud civilizations. But we need a better reason for that than just conjecture.--Zereshk 00:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The kingdom of Jiroft has been officially recognized as an ancient civilization by many scholars, archeologists, and Western educational facilities. It deserves a place in this list.--Dariush4444

One thinks that there is a kingdom where you know of a king. We know of no such king(s) in Jiroft and hence no kingdom yet. At the same time, those who have seen a photo of the so-called 'inscription' from Jiroft, mentioend by Majidzadeh, would probably agree with me that it looks more like floral ornament designs than writing. No authority other than Majidzadeh himself has so far accepted it as writing. See a photo of this 'writing' at http://www.safarmer.com/Indo-Eurasian/jiroftbrick.pdf . I think the title should be 'Jiroft civilization' and the item should be removed from the list of kingdoms until some positive evidence is found to identified it as one. --Tissa

We can move it to "Jiroft Civilization" indeed, but it should stay on the Template of History of Iran as it is part of Iran's history. The list includes Kingdoms, and all other forms of social order that were in operation in the Iranian lands.--Zereshk 23:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

This is very exciting! 129.11.76.230 11:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It may only be tendentious to call this short article "Jiroft Civilization". What about Tepe Yahya Civilization, Susa Civilization, Manchester Civilization, etc. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that there was no civilization at Jiroft, but it may be a bit early to name a new civilization after this archaeological site. But let's stick to the facts. Jiroft is, if I am correct, the name of a number of archaeological sites in a valley in south-eastern Iran. It has yielded little information so far (diregarding the looted artifacts SAID to come from Jiroft). There is absolutely no proof of a king of Jiroft, no proof of writing at Jiroft (the 2 examples "published" only in the news-media cannot be confirmed as actual writing!). In my opinion, for what it is worth, this article should be called Jiroft, and contain, as far as possible, detailed information about the area, and the on-going excavation. This is difficult enough, but much more exciting than quessing about new writing systems and ancient kings. Jacob Dahl Berlin 20060613

[edit] Odd Phrasing

The article uses 'aims to uncover an unknown "civilization" ', the word 'aims' gives me the impression that rather than drawing conclusions from what is actually there, this is some sort of nationalist project to come up with a civilzation for Iran that is as ancient as Sumer. If this is not the case, perhaps the inital paragraph should be rewritten. JamesFox 18:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)