User talk:JIP/Archive 15

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Contents 1 RE: Reference Desk: swear 2 spellings 3 Transformers comics 4 Star Trek Canon 5 Datamonitor AfD 6 Marko Antila - Finnish director 7 Policy proposal for Finnish proper names 8 Recreated Content (Speedy) 9 Hi 10 anarchopedia 11 New Video Game Article 12 ICB2 on deletion review 13 Uspenski Cathedral 14 Gods dab fix 15 -_- 16 Service awards 17 Barnstarred! 18 I'm confused... 19 Dyson Sphere 20 Need help with film promotional image use 21 Lebedev 22 öh 23 Ifti Elahi article 24 Abdel Frasheri on fi: 25 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kigg-r 26 Signature 27 Finnish to English translations 28 my-boi 29 Vastaus kysymykseen 30 Andiamo

[edit] RE: Reference Desk: swear

It is obvious that presidents or ministers do swear when they start to hold their position. I want to know the name of the swear that doctors, nurses or midwives(medical profession) do when they are graduated?

See Hippocratic Oath.--Shantavira 15:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone should tell them to watch their language. JIP | Talk 16:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say that has to be the worst pun I've ever seen on the reference desk, well done! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 22:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spellings

Stop vandalising pages. We have naming conventions in place, both in ice hockey and here Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics). We are currently working out guidelines. Join the conversation there, but please don't vandalise pages to your own POV. If you don't like it, talk about it. that is what talk pages are for. Masterhatch 16:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Could you provide a direct link to the discussion about working out guidelines? Is there a separate discussion for ice hockey? I find it amazing how Americans are so eager to misspell names of ice hockey players but are happy with the native spellings of everyone else. Or is it because the ice hockey players are the only Nordic people the Americans have ever heard of? JIP | Talk 16:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Here is the one for hockey Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format#Use of diacritics and non-English characters and i already showed you the general one for wikipedia [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics). OH, i am not american, i am canadian. And i find it amazing that all these non native speakers of english are trying to tell us english speakers that we are spelling our own language wrong. It is not spelt wrong! it is just spelt English! Masterhatch 16:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

People's names are not part of any language. I don't tell you how to spell your language, I tell you how to spell my countrymen's names. JIP | Talk 16:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If you are serious about opening up this debate go here Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)

People's names may not be a part of any language, but surely you would concede that Sergei Federov's page on the English-language Wikipedia should be there and not at Сергей Фёдоров, right? Finnish names are spelled without accents or diacritics in English and thus are spelled that way on the English Wikipedia, just as Federov's name is spelled Federov and not Фёдоров. BoojiBoy 19:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference there, Russian names are not written in the Latin script at all. Finnish names are. Finnish and English share 89% of the same letters, Russian and English share none. I am also supporting diacritics not found in Finland in names of people living in countries not speaking either Finnish or English. For example, I support the Estonian letter õ, even though I have no idea how it is pronounced. If a Finnish Wikipedia article replaced it with o or ö, I would take issue at it. I also think that English-speaking people with Nordic-based names have the right to spell their names the way they want. If someone called Nyström goes to the USA and has a child, and the child is called Nystrom, that's fine, and I support calling the parent Nyström and the child Nystrom. JIP | Talk 19:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the point remains that those names are not misspelled by English-language standards. If you simply search for Bob Nystrom in the English Google, all references to him are spelled "Nystrom" except for Wikipedia and mirrors. Whereas, say Dag Hammarskjöld's name is almost universally spelled with the "ö". Again, English spelling guidelines should prevail on the English Wikipedia regardless of how each name is spelled in the person's native tongue, meaning spelling should be "Nystrom" and "Hammarskjöld". BoojiBoy 20:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent point Boji boy. I think it is pretty simple: the most common way of spelling it in English is the way it should be spelt here on wikipedia. If the most common English spellings include diacritics, then wiki should to and vise versa. Masterhatch 00:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transformers comics

Well, I moved it because that's what it is - it's a list of the different Transformers comics published through the years. Did it in the name of creating a parallel with List of Transformers TV series. By all means, move it back if you feel it would be better suited under that title, but I don't think there's much difference. :) - Chris McFeely 13:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek Canon

Sorry your question went ignored on the S.C.E. page, but here's my opinion. I looked around Wikipedia's Star Trek policy. Most of it concerns non-canonical information on cananical characters. I see no reason why not to include a page on David Gold and Domenica Corsi, after all they are as real as, Harry Potter for example. The main issue with Star Trek canon is including information from books on Jean-Luc Picard, not making pages on David Gold. BLong 3 Aug 2006 1:17 (EDT).

[edit] Datamonitor AfD

Hi JIP, I see you closed the Datamonitor AfD discussion. Could you take another quick look at it? I'm not convinced that there was a consensus to delete. Even by a simple vote count I see 3 deletes and 2 keep, which looks like "no consensus" to me. Two of the delete opinions came before the article was rewritten and sourced. Of course I'm an interested party, so take that into account too! Best, Gwernol 12:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marko Antila - Finnish director

Hi,

I was wondering if you could do something for the locked page of finnish director Marko Antila. I've written a new article after discussing with Brookie about the article. New version is here.

I hope that you could be the friendly admin who would help me to make this article visible again.

Juhmi

• I've unprotected and deleted the page Brookie made, and moved your new version to replace it. Now I don't want to take sides in the notability/vanity argument. If Brookie still thinks it is vanity, I will accept her judgment. JIP | Talk 09:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

Juhmi

[edit] Policy proposal for Finnish proper names

Hi! I've created a policy proposal for Finnish proper names at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Finnish), and I'd like to hear your comments on it. Elrith 14:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Looks good! There's only one thing I would like to change: ä, ö, and å should be alphabetised in categories as themselves when the category, by definition, only includes Finland-related, or Nordic-related, articles. They should be alphabetised as a, o, and a in categories that allow articles not related to Finland or the Nordic countries. JIP | Talk 15:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought about that, but I think it's more confusing to have two different alphabetization guidelines. To take a hockey examples (shudder), that would mean you'd have to alphabetize players differently in different categories or lists, because a Finnish NHL player would be listed in categories of Finnish people as well as lists of NHL players. I think it would get confusing. Elrith 15:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• I see no problem with alphabetising the same article two different ways in two different categories. I've done it myself many times. JIP | Talk 15:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

My more general objection is that languages alphabetize thing differently, and English alphabetizes ä with a and ö with o. Similarly, Finnish still alphabetizes w with v, at least in the public libraries, and since this is the English-language Wikipedia, I think we should stick to English-language alphabetization. Elrith 15:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recreated Content (Speedy)

Hi JIP, you closed this [1] AfD debate and I note the content has subsequently been recreated (at The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler) with no additional information that could justify overturning the initial consensus. Could you review as a speedy candidate? Eusebeus 15:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• At the moment I don't see how it would qualify for speedy deletion. The AfD didn't have unilateral consensus to delete, I only decided the result by the two-thirds majority. It has spent quite a lot of time before recreation, and the contents don't look all bad. I would suggest putting it into proposed deletion or again for articles for deletion instead. JIP | Talk 16:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I am writing to inform you, and many others, that an AfD in which you voted delete, List of automobiles that were commercial failures, was already unsucessfully nominated a short time ago, but under a different title. This was not noted in the nomination. Please read the opposing arguments here, and reconsider your vote, because it is important that the opinions of previous voters be considered. Thanks! AdamBiswanger1 23:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] anarchopedia

saw on the talk page of anarchopedia you would like to keep it.

could you post your vote and reasoning in [2]

thanks

[edit] New Video Game Article

Hey! I saw that you created a new video game related article- consider joining the Computer and Video Games WikiProject! I've added your article to the list of new articles, and attributed it to you. --PresN 17:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ICB2 on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of ICB2. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

[edit] Uspenski Cathedral

Hi, I saw that you added a category tag to the Uspenski Cathedral page and that you are a native Finnish speaker. When writing the page, I came across two equally popular ways of spelling the cathedral (Uspenski and Uspensky). Google favored the "i" and hence the article name. However, I just wanted to know if you have any thoughts on how it should be spelled. I'm always wary when I make a foray into foreign languages here! InvictaHOG 10:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• It's spelled "Uspenskin katedraali", with an i, in Finnish. I don't know how it should be spelled in English. JIP | Talk 13:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gods dab fix

Hey, thanks for fixing that dab! I'm not sure why I directed it to the wrong place, it's clearly a computer game reference. Dreadlocke ☥ 14:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] -_-

...!!!...

My God! I didn't see it. It was a mistake. Nobody's perfect. Thanks for telling ;)

Tyks 18:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Service awards

Hi JIP! In recognition of your long and prolific editing career, you are entitled to these WP:SERVICE awards. Herostratus 19:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

|Requirements:

• Thank you! I didn't expect to be awarded. I know I have been a good Wikipedian and a reasonable admin for a while, but I never thought I'd be worthy of a service award. JIP | Talk 19:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Well you are. You'll note that WP:SERVICE awards are strictly by mechanical count of time and edits, so of course you are entitled. Barnstars, on the other hand, are awarded for subjective reasons, and I think you deserved on of those too. Herostratus 19:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstarred!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For a very prolific and high-average editing career. Herostratus 19:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm confused...

I just left a note on another administrator's talk page [3], asking for clarification why they recorded the result no consensus for a recent nomination for deletion, when more than 50% of the votes were cast to keep the article.

When you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hisham Sliti you recorded the result as no consensus even though 3 people voted to keep and only 1 person voted to delete.

Would you please take a look at the note I left the other administrator? I am hoping one of you can explain what I should do if there was a mistake in recording the results of these two nominations, or help me figure out what I am missing about how nomination for deletion results are scored.

Cheers! -- Geo Swan 00:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dyson Sphere

Answered your question there - again ;) Got any more? ;) - Vedexent 17:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need help with film promotional image use

For these images you will list the source that you mentioned on the image description page and also the tag {{Movie poster}} for the poster and {{Film-screenshot}} for the screenshot. Add fair use rationale after the tag to justify use in the article.-Nv8200p talk 12:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this will meet the requirement for use of a copyrighted image on Wikipedia. Fair use rationale should explain why the the images meet the doctrine of fair use such as the images are used for non-profit purposes to enhance an article on the film and provide a visual identification to associate with the film and that it is believed use of the images will have no impact on the market for the images. You cannot use the images by themselves or for any other purpose other then an article about the film. To do so would be a copyright violation. -Nv8200p talk 15:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lebedev

I was looking through the Mikhail Lebedev page and it seems to be vanity and non-notable to me. First of all, there is hardly any information about him on Google. Then, none of the publications seem to be news-worthy and notable. Finally, the scientist does not have many 1st author publications and seems to be non-important in his field. If you agree with me, can you please help me nominate Mikhail Lebedev for deletion? --GoOdCoNtEnT 08:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] öh

Yes, quite :D --Alf ^melmac 20:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hands up, I take full responsibility – I did indeed spell it correctly in the infobox and credits but failed to correct it in the body text. Of course, I take no credit for spelling it correctly in the first place – it was one of only a handful of occasions where I could be bothered to scroll down to the special characters! :D

PS It's a good job there isn't a bot for correcting umlaut abuse! Only petty apostrophe "abuse". Bubba hotep 20:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Genuinely the funniest edit summary today though JIP, I'm still chuckling :) --Alf ^melmac 20:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It was good. Most humorous thing I've seen on my watchlist since... well, ever. I think the irony is funniest – the Finnish language must have the largest use of umlauts known to man. Perhaps you can confirm, JIP – every vowel is it? Bubba hotep 20:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it has that. There are two Finnish vowels with umlauts: ä and ö. å is in our alphabet too, but it isn't used in Finnish words, only in Finland-Swedish. I have done some basic vowel frequency analysis, and ä is perhaps the fourth or fifth common vowel in Finnish, ö is by far the most rare. But thanks anyway for your comments! JIP | Talk 07:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem! I do actually have more than a passing interest in languages – although I can only speak one fluently, well sort of! Finnish is one of the more interesting European languages as it is not Germanic, Romantic or even Indo-European. Ethnologue remains one of the websites on my favourites list! Bubba hotep 08:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ifti Elahi article

Please do not delete this article. it is not a personal essay - it is just in an incomplete stage. if you will follow the quotation marks you will observe that the opinions of both Ifti Elahi AND Kader Hashemite are expressed through the interviews. I can fully understand that this article needs cleaning up and I will endeavour to do so within the next few days but please rescue it from deletion. Thank you.

[edit] Abdel Frasheri on fi:

Hi JIP! I see that you can speak Finnish, and I wonder if you could help out by nominating the Finnish fi:Abdel Frasheri article for deletion? The corresponding article was deleted here on the English Wikipedia as unverifiable (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdel Frasheri), but needs to be removed from a number of other Wikipedias as well.

The non-Finnish speaking, Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. It can be seen on fi:Wikipedia:Poistettavat sivut. JIP | Talk 09:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kigg-r

I have noticed when you closed the above AfD, you did not remove the category template, "REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD". By deleting this when closing it pulls the discussion out of the category. I have deleted it from this discussion, but if you could review any other closures you have done recently and remove the tag from them it would be greatly appreicated. This is a fairly recent change. The official policy is at WP:AFDC. I have been going through the listing in each of the categories CAT:AFD and removing the tag from pages that are closed and adding the approriate category code for those in the uncatagorised group. Thanks.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 19:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that when I close AfDs, I usually go to the AfD page by clicking on the "[Edit]" link on the section header, which goes to edit a subsection of the AfD page, not the whole page, and the category template is before that subsection, so I miss it. Do I have to click on "Edit this page" after going to the subsection, or is there an easier way to get to the whole of the AfD page? JIP | Talk 12:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

Hi, how'd you do that with your signature? Tango Alpha Foxtrot 22:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The colours, you mean? Simply use the HTML "<font>"..."</font>" tag with a "color" attribute. The value can be either a 24-bit hexadecimal RGB value or a standardised colour name. For example: <font color="#cc00cc">Purple text</font>: Purple text. JIP | Talk 12:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish to English translations

If you are (or you know anyone who is) interested in translating articles from Finnish to English, it would be a good idea as there's starting to be quite a backlog (my fault) at Wikipedia:Translation_into_English#Finnish-to-English. BTW, is there a corresponding page in the Finnish wikipedia? For some reason I haven't been able to find it, if there is. Thanks! -Yupik 11:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Kiitoksia nopeasta ja hyvästä käännöksestä! -Yupik 18:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Eipä kestä. Kävin luettelon läpi, ja ajattelin, että vanhana muumifanina halusin ainakin kääntää artikkelin Tove Janssonin elämänkumppanista. Heikki Ritavuoren artikkeli on alunperin minun kääntämäni, en tiedä haluanko kääntää sitä enää uudelleen. JIP | Talk 19:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] my-boi

please reconsider your vote against my-boi i think it is very important since it made national attention in the media, read the article on james barnett the 18-yo who was expelled from his conservative high school for creating the website. the website will soon be joined with xy.com an even more noteworthy website with millions of registered users somthing that makes it very notable, i think this is premature. why did you vote for delete? Qrc2006 21:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vastaus kysymykseen

Ei ole sen kummempaa kuin se, että olen asunut Suomessa jo 11 vuotta. Eikä ole valitettavasti kukaan sukulainen Suomesta, vaikka jokainen isovanhempi on eri maasta! -Yupik 07:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andiamo

In regards to your comment about the above page, it is great that the page was created because it otherwise linked to an album, but the reason I placed the prod on the article is that it did not meet the requirements of WP:CORP, namely 1. subject of multiple non-trivial published works; 2. listed on ranking indices of important companies; and 3. share price is used to calculate stock market indices.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 19:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your explanation why the article should be deleted, but when it is, what should I do with the link? JIP | Talk 19:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you can just leave it. There are a number of redlinked entries on the page, 5 of the 6 listed on the mall's site.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 19:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)