Talk:Jewish-Roman wars

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Jayjg: "Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession."

Jayjg: This is the version you are reverting to:

• The First Jewish-Roman War (66–73 CE), against the Roman Empire is sometimes called The First Jewish-Roman War.
• The Bar Kokhba's revolt (132-135 CE), also known as The Second Jewish-Roman War or The Second Jewish Revolt, was a second major rebellion by the Jews of Judea. Alternatively, some sources call it The Third Revolt, counting also the riots of 115-117, the Kitos War, suppressed by the senator Quintus Lucius Quietus who governed the province at the time.

Do you seriously consider this to be a useful wikipedia entry?

This is my recommendation for an improvement:

• First Jewish-Roman War (66–73 CE)
• Kitos War (115-117 CE)
• Bar Kokhba's revolt (132-135 CE)

Rather than just revert without explanation, why don't you express what your issues are with my attempt to clean up this article? Keep in mind, this is a disambiguation article.

Your version removed useful information; disambiguation pages should not just be links, but should provide some context. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:07, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Useful information? Nonetheless, quoting from Disambiguation:

"A disambiguation page contains no article content, only links to other Wikipedia pages."

You're reading the page too narrowly. Disambiguation pages do, indeed, typically have context information on them. See, for example, Jesus (disambiguation) or Sara. Jayjg ^(talk) 06:37, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but obviously it's not a requirement as you claimed above and the version you are reverting to has very little if any useful information. Do you really think it's important to point out to the average reader that: "The First Jewish-Roman War ... is sometimes called The First Jewish-Roman War" or that it was between the Jews and the Roman Empire or that Bar Kokhba's revolt is sometimes called the second or third war depending on if you count the Kitos War? In addition the information about "Quintus Lucius Quietus" is incorrect and there is no wikipedia link to him at this time, for more information see Kitos War.

Disambiguation pages are generally done that way, as an aid to the reader; blind links with no context are not helpful. I can provide many other examples of disambiguation pages that are done this way - e.g. Cat (disambiguation), New York (disambiguation), London (disambiguation), etc. What I cannot seem to find is a disambiguation page that contains only links. If you think the page contains incorrect information, please correct it, but please stop removing all context, as this is starting to look like simple vandalism. Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

By the way, you know that Christianity template you just added to Sabbath? Well, it turns out that Sabbath (disambiguation) doesn't just give a list of bare links either. Go figure. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:57, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I've cleaned up some of the more wordy phrasing on the page. Some descriptions should certainly be kept in order to differentiate between the wars, which are, as mentioned, often cited by number; but there's no need to reiterate the participants of the wars under each one, since they all involve the Romans and the Jews. The bolding of text might need to be toned down also, since it is currently somewhat excessive. Kirill Lokshin 01:12, September 6, 2005 (UTC)