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Contents 1 Jenova's name 2 Clean-Up Requirements 3 Jenova Reunion Theory 4 Similarities to Norse Mythology 5 Origins of Jenova section 6 Aeris name origin 7 Big edit 8 Other usage? 9 Minor but significant edit 10 GA awarded 11 "Sephiroths"

[edit] Jenova's name

1) What's the accepted pronouncation™ of the name? [dʒɛnɔvɑ]?

2) What about an accepted theory™ behind the origins of the name? Some suggest "Jehova" + "nova", I can't decide either way, to me it looks and sounds like a Russian Енова or something

--one who's totally amazed by MacOSX input methods and Powers of Copy-and-Paste, Wwwwolf 15:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

In the movie Advent Children, Vincent pronounces it Gen-oh-vah. The Japanese verson is similar. DezSP 21:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

It's pronounced completely and totally phonetically. "Jeh-noh-vah."—ウルタプ 02:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-Up Requirements

The "Jehova Encounters" section of this article is a grammatical nightmare. We need your help in cleaning it up. Kakashi-sensei 21:55, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

"Grammatical nightmare". Oh, thank you so much. It really showed that describing what the hell is going on at any time isn't really my cup of tea and I should focus on simpler things. I bombed the section back to the stone age and used a structure that even I might be able to understand. Someone with actual talent should fill in the dumb little details. --Wwwwolf 18:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay, sorry, maybe I overreacted a bit. I tried to make it as simple as possible. Apparently, I was wrong. I might never know. Though, I still don't get why encounters section had supposedly atrocious grammar when the origins section had completely nightmare-inducing past/present tense messup until I fixed it. =) --Wwwwolf 12:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jenova Reunion Theory

I think it probably goes without saying that the Jenova Reunion Theory article is completely unnecessary and should be merged with this one (or just obliterated altogether, assuming the contained information is entirely redundant). -Reichu 18:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge - Agreed. That article isn't linked anywhere anyway. ~ Hibana 01:36, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge - I put the merge tags there last night. The other article is pretty weak and as a FF7 topic it's not important enough to warrant an article of its own. --Wwwwolf 15:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Merge - If my voice means anything. :) I think, the JRT article is too short and since it cannot be really expanded beyond that, it should be a part of Jenova article. --Koveras 19:10, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

The Jenova Reunion is a biological ability of Jenova. Seemingly about reconnecting such things as body parts, but it works on a cellular level.

Hojo never had a full theory like that on it and he never tested it. There is no proof of this in the game.

• In fact, Hojo's theory is exactly that - he states during the encounter at the centre of Whirlwind Maze that "even if Jenova's body is dismembered" its component parts will come back together - this is the Reunion. His experiment with the Sephiroth "clones" helped prove this. Please sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~.QmunkE 11:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Similarities to Norse Mythology

I was browsing the articles on Norse mythology, mainly the ones dealing with places and things Final Fantasy VII borrows names from. I looked up Niflheim, and it's description bears great similarities to that of Nibelheim. "Niflheim ("Land of Mists") is the realm of ice and cold in Norse Mythology." Nibelheim is a town situated near Mt. Nibel, and when Cloud recalls that day 5 years ago, he makes note of the cold mountain air. "Niflheim is ruled by the goddess Hel..." This sounds similar to how Jenova "watched over" the town from her containment chamber in the Mt. Nibel reactor. "Half of her body is normal, while the other half is that of a rotting corpse." "She is half blue-black and half flesh-color (by which she is easily recognized), and very lowering and fierce." These descriptions of Hel sound awfully similar to the appearance of Jenova in the reactor. Maybe mention should be made in the article of the possible connections I've outlined here. --InvaderJim42 22:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of Jenova section

This section seems to contain a lot of information not actually about the "origin" of Jenova - surely the origin is in the introductory paragraph, and possibly some of the information about Jenova's relocation to the Nibelheim reactor. The rest of the information seems to reference The Jenova Project. Should I attempt a re-jigging of this? QmunkE 17:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aeris name origin

I have removed the following comment:

(actually Aeris, many believe a mistranslation, but it's purposely changed because Aeris is the heiress of the planet. Aeris = heiress)

since it has no source. I've never heard this theory before anywhere, but if there is some evidence for it then it may be reinstated. QmunkE 22:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually, one could say Aerith comes from the edge of the universe, because of the name's similarity with Finnish ääressä ("at the far end (of region)"). Same reasoning as with the anon poster, of course. =) Just because some name sounds like something in some language isn't strong enough evidence to me... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Aeris' name is just a Japanese transliteration of the English word "Earth." If you'll notice, in katakana (the Japanese alphabet used for words that are not of Japanese origin), the name is written as "Earisu." It's the tendency of vowels to follow consonants in Japanese ("n" being the only exception; thus, the "i" after "r") and the Japanese language has no "th" characters, instead using "su." It became "Aeris" as a result of writing it in romaji (the alphabet in which English characters represent Japanese sounds) to represent how it sounds when spoken in Japanese ("Air-reese").

"Aerith," by the way, the other popular -- and actually official -- romanization of the name, should technically never occur. As it's written, it's essentially a combination of the romaji form of the Japanese transliteration and the original English word that was transliterated. It's technically impossible because there is no "th" sound in Japanese to be represented by romaji characters. Nonetheless, it's the official romanization chosen by the creators of Final Fantasy VII.

The matter of "Earth" being the word of origin is stated in the Final Fantasy VII: Kaitai Shinsho book on Aerith's profile page. Here's a scan for proof:

http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aerith6ot.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aerith25wz.jpg

The text there is as follows: "ネーミングの来由 Earth（大地）の読みかたを変えて命名"

--Squall of SeeD January 2006

[edit] Big edit

I've given the article a big edit. I left each section in there because it seemed to flow better broken up like that, but I extended most of them and corrected all the errors I could find (quite a few). Ryu Kaze 14:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other usage?

Can anyone confirm if one of the minor bosses in Seiken Densetsu 3 was named Jenova by the translator or originally? I think that if it or any other game prior to FFVII had a boss with that moniker, it's at least worthy of a mention somewhere in the article.

[edit] Minor but significant edit

I'm removing this info from the article:

It is also believed that the meeting of Sephiroth and Jenova in Nibelheim was a form of the Jenova Reunion theory as well. Some people believe that the reunion allows Jenova to temporarily control, or compel to do something, those who contain her cells. Jenova possibly compelled Sephiroth to research the Shin-Ra documents in order to begin a turn of events leading to the god-ship of Sephiroth.

The first sentence is baseless, and the rest of it's disproven by official materials stating that Jenova was incapacitated and that Sephiroth was in control of himself. Ryu Kaze 16:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA awarded

Work on the prose, since it is tough to understand for neophytes. Lincher 19:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Sephiroths"

I was wondering where the information for these facts came from:

It was then that "Sephiroth" took control of Jenova's body and broke free 
from its container murdering President Shinra along with a multitude of 
the Shin-Ra personnel working in the building.

More specifically, Jenova-BIRTH is a tentacle of Jenova, detached from the
main body, while Jenova-LIFE and Jenova-DEATH are unidentified parts of 
Jenova's body transformed first to look like Sephiroth, and then later to 
bear their monstrous appearances.

I was always of the opinion that the "Sephiroths" encountered by Cloud et al were Sephiroth clones, of the sort that ended up in the Reunion, and which Sephiroth had just taken greater control over. A member of my messageboard recently posited that it was parts of Jenova itself, which has been repeated here, but I'd like to know where that info came from. It certainly doesn't seem to be indicated in the game text anywhere. And in the Northern Crater, the "Sephiroth" who meets Cloud says the following line before vanishing:

"You're right. This is the end of this body's usefulness."

I always thought that it was part of the group of clones, which committed suicide along with the others. Cidolfas 03:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've just spoken to a contact of mine at Square Enix, who spoke to someone who worked on the localization of Dirge of Cerberus. He was under the same impression as me - that it was "Sephiroth clones", not "pieces of Jenova". It's not definitive, but it's instructive. Cidolfas 14:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)