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[edit] Consider More Complete Initial Articles
Creating a stub article like this Spiegel entry mostly invites the sort of annoying experience that followed the creation by this same contibutor of another stub about a surgeon. Please think twice before adding articles to the Wikipedia without providing adequate detailed information, citations, references, and justification for their inclusion. Doing so often imposes on others to either followup with information needed to support the article's existence, or worse yet, other undesirable consequences. Please take the time to do some research first, collect adequate information on a subject, before including them in the Wikipeda. Otherwise, a stub like the Spiegel article does not help, it only creates problems.
- Janniejdoe(talk) 12:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, excuuuuse me! Please read WP:EQ and WP:BOLD. A stub article is better than no article and encourages other editors such as yourself, to contribute and expand. If there were no stub articles, the chances of WP growing would be much less. - Alison✍ 13:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh right. I remember who you are. You've a history of being phenomenally rude - Alison✍ 14:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Alison, you may find it helpful to those you interact with on Wikipedia to re-read the WP:NPA and WP:AGF pages. I imagine most contributors and editors would consider your response just above pretty close to a WP:NPA and not considerate of the WP:EQ to which you refer. I am actually quite a polite woman. My comment above was meant to be a polite suggestion to help you avoid the Spiegal article getting nominated for a speedy deletion, or deletion treatment like the Toby Meltzer article received. While a small minority of people may consider Spiegel marginally notable, he hasn't even been practicing very long. At present, the article about him barely contains minimal information about his education, work, or criteria for notability. I don't believe the Spiegel article would withstand the kind of scrutiny the Meltzer article received. If it were to get deleted, a much more difficult case would need to made in the future for its inclusion in Wikipedia. I very much hope you learn to recognize when people are trying to help you and be polite to you.
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- By the way, I sent you a very polite email a while ago, regarding the Meltzer photo, and comments about the end of the Meltzer ordeal, to which you did not respond. My email was mostly in regard to the photo of Toby Meltzer being deleted, and my politely looking for assistance to upload it again with appropriate tags so that it would not get deleted once more, (see Talk:Toby_Meltzer bottom). In this context you seem not to recognize that I am trying to help prevent the Spiegel article from getting the kind of delete nomination the Meltzer article received. When that process was finished there, most contributors and editors would recognize and admit I contributed significant work to that article so that it wouldn't get deleted. When last I heard from you, you were making invitations of me for helpful cooperation. I do hope you consider how your comment above might contribute to your own reputation for politeness and other virtuous attributes. I do hope you begin to recognize that I am quite a polite, flexible, and civil, woman toward people who demonsrate respect and responsibility, and consideration of WP:AGF and WP:NPA.
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- In addition, I believe that the true nature of content at your link to my talk page, was other people's disrespect of what I considered my personal space, their rudeness, and abusiveness, failure to heed WP:AGF by certain abusive admins, failure to to head WP:DBTN by certain abusive admins, rude, admin incivility, and internet communication failures exacerbated by other people, which exemplifies the internet's general reputation for failures regarding social harmony, of which your inclusion of that link above may also be an example, and which does not win points for WP:AGF, WP:NPA, or help you develop allies. I also hope you develop greater recognition for WP:NPA and WP:AGF. Good luck improving the Spiegel article. It will need a lot of work to justify its inclusion in Wikipedia, and to defend it against a delete nomination if that ever occurs. Your consideration of my suggestions might also help you keep from developing a reputation as someone who creates a lot of articles that get nominated for deletion. There is a level of responsibility associated with going WP:BOLD, that mandates an initial article that can withstand the rigors of a WP:AFD discussion.
- Janniejdoe(talk) 15:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
