Talk:Jebtsundamba

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Bold textThis lama has many names, the most common being Khalkha Jetsun Dampa and Jebtsundamba Khutught, at least per Google search. I have decided to make Khalkha Jetsun Damba the central name if for no other reason than that is the name he uses on his own personal website now that he exists in his 9th incarnation. You don't get that kind of help when you study European history. technopilgrim 02:20, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I prefer Jebtsundamba or Jebtsundamba Khutughtu, the Mongolian names, to "Jetsun Dampa" the Tibetan name in the Lhasa dialect. Although all but the first and the second were Tibetans, they are historic figures of Mongolian history. They were brought up in Mongolia and the eighth was a Mongolian nationalist. The ninth is the only exception. He spent most of his life in a Tibetan community. (Thank you for letting me know the nice page. I knew almost nothing but his existence.)

I'm always frustrated with the lack of consistency in Mongolian romanization. His title is in the classical Mongolian script (the spelling has some variants.) and I romanize this into "Jebtsundamba Khutaghtu." This violates vowel harmony in favor of the original Tibetan word "rje btsun dam pa". My Mongolian dictionary transcribe this as "jabtsutamba hutuktu." The romanization system has many variants. Now, he is called "Жавзандамба хутагт" in Khalkha Mongolian and it is usually transliterated as "Javzandamba Hutagt."

Unfortunately the Mongols left a small number of documents in Mongolian, so we have to utilize foreign language including Persian, Tibetan, Russian, Classical Chinese, Chagatai and Manchu. It is sometimes difficult to reconstruct Mongolian spellings from these languages. This is another cause of romanization inconsistency.

--Nanshu 01:46, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The strength of your argument is overwhelming. I was certain that you would agree to changing to "Jetsun Dampa" based on his current incarnation's guidance. When you point out that only 3 of his 9 incarnations have been Tibetan and you additionally produce a copy of his name in the classical Mongolian script and modern-day Khalkha — well what can I say??? I am happily moving the page back to Jebtsundamba, thank you for the delightful education. technopilgrim 04:15, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't put weight on googling for Mongolian romanization because there isn't yet enough information information in English on the Net. P.S. only 2 of 9 were Mongolian, but all but the ninth grew up in Mongolia. --Nanshu 02:13, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

separate entry for Bogda Khan? Like to put a bio on the 8th, esp since he was "Emperor of Mongolia; your redirects confound me, though. Any help? --nhrenton