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[edit] Civil War Reversion

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[edit] Capital Punishment - RfM

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Capital Punishment, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

[edit] New compromise + comments

How about, instead of changing the first phrase or paragraph (let's call it Mission Impossible 4), we write a section on the roles that each of the three branches have in Death Penalty process?

Also about "imposed by the State", could we possibly change that to "approved by the State" or "used by the State". I believe that imposed is slightly misleading (not that you intetionally want to be).

Another thing: before, you wanted to use "Government", instead of State. I will have to oppose you if you do (but it seems as though you have changed your mind) because "Government" is even more misleading. In certain countries, when you refer to Government (ex: France, Australia, UK or New Zealand) you are actually refering to the equivalent of the "Administration" (in the US) and not the "three branches of Government".

About whether police officers, nurses, etc. are members of, apart of or belong to any branch, I gave the example of France, which does not consider its employees to be apart of any of the three branches, according to one of my teachers, who studied political science in France. Even though France is no longer a rententionist nation, I have very little doubt that even the executioner was not apart of, a member of, or did not belong to the executive branch.

Even though, in the US, police officers, executioners etc. are apart/members of/belong to the executive, you have to concede that their job (the job of executing someone) is done within about an hour (it doesn't take 100 years to kill someone), that's why I believe their role is relatively small, and so is that of the executive (even though most officials involved in the process, in the USA, are apart of the executive: that's my position.

GreatKing 13:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It no longer uses the word "imposed" at all. The current edit says the following,

Capital Punishment, or the death penalty, is the execution of a convicted criminal by the State as punishment for crimes known as capital crimes or capital offenses

It would make even less sense to mention the judiciary in that sentence, as no member of the judiciary is involved at all in the actual execution.

As far as France, I have no doubt that the employees we've mentioned, whether they are "considered" members of a branch or not, function exactly in the same way that they do in nearly every other nation, i.e., reporting to one branch, being hired by that branch, paid by that branch, etc. De facto or not, they remain under a particular branch of the government.

The execution process itself takes a compartively short period of time, true, but it's the single most important event in the overall process, and it's what a condemed prisoner spends all that time trying to avoid through appeals. There have also recently been several high profile clemency petitions (including several which were granted) that highlight the importance of that role in the process. Finally, if you want to talk about other countries, in China the judiciary is even less involved than in the U.S., with appeals taking a matter of months and being significantly less elaborate than here.

A section on each branches individual roles would likely be more appropriate on the page for each particular nation. I'd be happy to work on writing such a section, but I don't think it would work well within the confines of the page as it exists.JCO312 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm sure in this section on the role of each branch, we could write something which encompasses most DP states, something like this:

"In most DP states, the executive grants clemency, pardons and can stay the execution; the legislative makes the DP legal; and the judiciary imposes the death sentence and sometimes stays executions."

Of course, we would have to elaborate a whole lot more, I just summarised what I thought was important. Then we could write in each of the page of each particular nation to be more precise about the exact process, as you suggested.

GreatKing 21:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If you want to get that detailed you're going to have to talk about individual jurisdictions, which is fine with me, but obviously doesn't belong in the intro. Within the United States, for instance, the roles vary slightly on the general model you laid out (you left out that the executive is responsible for carrying out the execution). For instance, the clemency power (people are not generally given a pardon from death row) is not always in the hands of the governor, sometimes a board of pardons has the sole responsibility to decide clemency (such as in Texas, where the governor can only grant a 30 day reprieve). If you're interested in writing in more detail about the death penalty in individual places, I'm happy to help, as I have a lot of the research done from work I did in law school. The intro, though, should remain as is. JCO312 22:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Just one thing, you asked me (on my talk page) whether the act of granting clemency or pardoning proves that the executives' is minimal. Well, in my opinion it is, since clemency or pardon is rarely granted, as you have said many times.

GreatKing 11:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I said pardon is rare, clemency, while not something that happens frequently, happens enough to have what I would call a significant impact (recent clemency petitions in Virginia and the mass Illinois clemency process are 2 examples). JCO312 18:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capital Punishment Discussion

Since the user I wrote the following about decided to blank his talk page, I am putting this up here, so at least my attempt to deal with the problem is recorded.

I decided against posting this on the discussion page because I didn't want to turn the talk page into a personal argument, but the following is your quote,

"I am afraid to say that you have been hypocritical and narrowminded. You mentioned earlier that you want to hear what others have to say, yet you still unilaterally impose your view in the article because only one person agrees with you."

You changed the article to your position after 4 people said you were wrong, and no one else supported your position. If you're going to admonish me for allegedly being a narrowminded hypocrite you should at least try and practice what you preach. Disagreeing with you does not make me narrowminded, changing what I know to be incorrect (after 7 years of higher education and a law degree) does not make me selfish, and saying that I want to hear the opinions of others (all of whom supported my position) hardly makes me a hypocrite. Calling someone someone narrowminded, selfish, and a hypocrite is not "calling a spade a spade." Even to the extent that it is, it's not kind of talk that has any place in a rationale debate. CoolCeasar was wrong to go after you on a personal level, and it detracted from his credibility. It's a shame that you took the same approach.

I am interested in trying to understand your position, and I asked several question which I wonder about your answers to. As I said on the talk page, I used American procedures as an example. You keep saying that other countries do things differently, so which countries handle capital punishment in the way you've suggested? In which country do judges act as executioners? Would you consider the people who actually carry out the execution to have a "minimal" role? Do you suppose that the people who were granted clemency from various executive authorities over the last 10 years would view that act as "minimal?"

You've taken the position that employees of executive agencies are not members of the executive branch. What distinguishes those people from the persons you would consider members of the executive?

You also said that I avoided answering questions or points that you had. If that's true, please consider re-posting them here so I can try and respond to them. JCO312 03:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capital punishment

Looking again, I can't find the example I thought I saw last night. I probably mistook someone else's comment for yours. I was wrong to suggest that you were uncivil. Tom Harrison ^Talk 12:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Requested Move, DP-->CP

Just noticed your requested move. I think Wikicrats (at least some of them) are persnickety about rules. I think you need to add some sort of "tag" at the top of the relevant discussion page, and ask for votes (or opinions) in order for the requested move to be official. I'd do it myself but I'm too uncertain about how WP works to feel comfortable making the needed changes. --Cultural Freedom talk 2006-06-23 10:30 (UTC)

[edit] I dunno

I don't know how to delete the Categories page; I never learned how to use the Categories system. Plus all the links in the United States Attorney would have to be fixed as well. But I agree it should be fixed; that's really confusing to have all those redirects to district court articles. You might want to try the village pump. Good luck! --Coolcaesar 05:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI: Categories are renamed or deleted at Categories for discussion. Beware: As one of the less-well-traveled sections of the Wikipedia backstage machinery, the denizens of CFD seem to have a whole bunch of undocumented rules and guidelines about how they do things and how they name things. If they do agree upon a deletion or renaming, there is usually someone there with a bot that can do wholesale editing of categorized articles. ^BlankVerse 05:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Quite frankly, there are editors who seem determined to create articles on all the minutia and trivialities in the world, so even if the category got deleted, the articles that would have gone into the category will still end up being created. For example, I just found an article on a car dealership, which will probably survive if it was nominated at Articles for deletion, so I plan to ignore it except to copy-edit it, eliminate any fluff, and get rid of any copyright violations in the article. ^BlankVerse 01:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

If you can believe it, just 23 minutes after I wrote the above, an anon IP nominated Caliber Motors for deletion. Just out of curiosity, I did an rDNS lookup--it's a dial-up POP for AT&T in Gardena, California, and the nomination is the only edits from that IP. ^BlankVerse 13:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I've said that "it takes at least a half-dozen individuals that are more even-tempered to" counter any editor with an agenda outside of the Wikipedia goals. User:Ericsaindon2 is a good example of that. Look at how much of everybody's time he has wasted on all the talk pages, on article reverts, and now his Requests for arbitration/Ericsaindon2, yet he still persists in his edit wars. What amazes me is some of his more recent illadvised actions, such as editing the evidence of his misbehavior (sockpuppetry) that was added by one of the arbitrators on his RFAR. What was he thinking--did he think nobody would notice that edit? Instead, it got him blocked from editing for a month, although he blatantly ignored the block by using more sockpuppets and IPs. ^BlankVerse 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Estate context

Yes, I do understand your point of using mansion instead of estate. That would definately work better. I do understnd how Anaheim Hills in the Anaheim Demographic article could come across as POV, and I am not sure that it belongs in the article. I was just pointing out the fact that Anaheim Hills has 3x the median income, and a different racial makeup than the city, and made a notation of that, however, it may come across as POV, and it can be removed. Ericsaindon2 18:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engrish

Thanks. Vapour

Opps, you reverted my edit. Hmmm. The guideline state that one should not revert or delet edit on the basis of spelling or grammer. Well, next time, I will add comment for each of my edit. Vapour

[edit] AFD process

Hey there, I just found a mildly out of place AFD notice on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Her! Girl vs Pig. I think you were trying to add Mario Cisternas to the large list of AFDs for today. Step 3 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion will have the link you need to edit to add it in. Cheers! :) --Brad Beattie ^(talk) 15:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. I was lost as far as how to proceed, and appreciate your help. JCO312 15:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

By all means. Any way I can more people involved in the deletion process, the better. You might want to orient yourself with WP:CSD, WP:NN and WP:NOT. They should give you a better idea of how things are deleted and why. In the case of Mario Cisternas, I believe this article qualifies for speedy deletion as per CSD A7. --Brad Beattie ^(talk) 15:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United States general elections, 2006

On United States general elections, 2006 you deleted some vandalism, however you should have reverted the edit that inserted the vandalism into the page because the vandal deleted a large section of text and added their vandalism in its place. So simply deleting what the vandal wrote would have the net effect of deleting the good paragraph that was there before the vandal came around. To avoid this check the history of the page when you see vandalism, and revert the page to the last good version. Happy editing. Tnikkel 21:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals

I guess we both don't have enough to do in the afternoon. Which page was it that we both reverted? --Coemgenus 21:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice. Glad to see we're on the same page - literally.--Coemgenus 21:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prince quotes

I demand that my Prince quotes be restored. This wasn't a test. Thanks. --81.242.231.140 21:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits to Sarah Brightman

I reverted the edit in which you removed the statement that Lloyd Webber wrote the role of Christine for Sarah Brightman. In the Time Magazine article from the footnote, it is stated:

Lloyd Webber composed the role of Christine with his wife Sarah Brightman's crystalline voice and fragile Pre-Raphaelite looks in mind. Crystallina 21:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, ok, must have missed that one. Looked back at the past edit and you're right. Crystallina 01:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medcom

Sounds good. Lets get started then. "I'm somewhat familiar with the topic, but my interest here is in dispute resolution, not in seeing a particular result on this article... As such, I don't think it would be appropriate for me to lay out my own personal view on what should happen..." Something to consider: its often fair to state your views upfront. Doing so shows that you are forthright with your views (if you have them). Many choose to simply state their ambiguity, which if true is a rather preferable aspect than someone who holds some bias but doesnt wish to reveal it. As you seem clear on the distinction between the content and the role of mediation, Im more than happy to have you mediate. -Ste|vertigo 01:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFM

I have volunteered to mediate your case. I am not a member of the Mediation Committee, but have some experience conducting mediations. I'll only do so, of course, if all the parties consent. Please indicate on the mediation page whether you agree or not. Cheers, JCO312 00:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks anyway JCO312. -- Szvest ^{Wiki me up ®} 16:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Best of luck resolving your dispute. JCO312 17:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)