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Contents 1 Granite State Challenge 2 Welcome to Esperanza! 3 new sig test 4 RFC 5 Pondok Indah 6 Whatever, Mary 7 Coito ergo sum? 8 TheNatureBoy 9 November Esperanza Newsletter 10 Tbeatty's AfD Nominations 11 Congrats! 12 Regarding ECOTM 13 E@L support barnstar 14 thank you 15 Thank you so much! 16 Your Essay 17 COI? 18 User page 19 Ad hominem arguments 20 DYK! 21 US Bill of Rights 22 user signatures - personalities 23 Samuel L. Jackson 24 KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park GA 25 Thanks for the advice 26 Just a couple questions 27 ? 28 Request 29 Thank you 30 AfD for List of Finnish Films et al. 31 AFD of Adams County Public Library 32 End to personal vandalism. 33 Drew Carey 34 An article in need of a fresh start 35 "Electronic packaging" work in progress 36 Finding citations 37 KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park

[edit] Granite State Challenge

Your memory is a bit shaky. The first GSC championship team was in 1988-89. Thomas R. Graham was the Captain and high scorer (once scoring 240 points in a game versus Hanover who totalled 210). Mark Masterson, Preston Pfarner and Scott Greenbaum rounded out the first string team. The alternates were Max Tuefferd and Marshall Murray. Don't make me get Miss Lavoie to confirm this, or get the team together or bring out the VCR tape proving this fact. I'll let you guess which one of the original six I am.

I took my comment out of the rules to the past champions section. I think the 1988-89 inaugural championship team deserves that.Thenatureboy 03:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)Thenatureboy

Jayron32, your facts on the 1988-89 team are shaky by your own admission. But I'll be the bigger person here and let the stay at home dad have his cake. I won't mention my 240 point game on this site every again (even though it was honored via special ceremony by the General Court of New Hampshire). The truth is the truth. Thenatureboy 04:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)Thenatureboy

[edit] Welcome to Esperanza!

[edit] new sig test

Test --Jayron32 04:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC

Thanks for the effort you put into the RFC summary. It's been a frustrating experience getting any attention on it. ---J.S (t|c) 05:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely. I tried to boil it down to the most obvious to make the whole debate easier to wade though. *sigh* Oh, an anon on my talk page thinks he's the puppet of Grazon. I'm not sure about that, but it does seem likely this account doesnt represent the whole of his experience here on wikipedia. ---J.S (t|c) 15:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pondok Indah

Re your message on my talk page, it seems you have misinterpreted the intent of my comments - but this could perhaps be partly my fault for not being explicit enough about my intent. I have just seen your message but dont have the time to comment further - hoepfully soon. I never assumed bad faith on your behalf (perhaps it appeared that way), much less intentionally tried to "smear" your name. Nor do i see my tactics as diversionary but related to the issue. Sorry for any ill feeling caused and i will clarify again soon. Kind regards --Merbabu 22:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: OK, i expressed my comments on the nomination page. Perhaps, if there is further comment necessary we do it on our talk pages. is that appropriate? Anyway, have a look. Cheers. --Merbabu 22:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

lol, i prefer your 2nd message and agree with your comments about afd and associated issues. As I perhaps only implied before, I am most impressed with the detail of the American articles and can only be envious for Indonesian related pages. thanks --Merbabu 01:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

In hindsight, although I think the actual New Hamp comparison was appropriate, publicly linking it to you personally was clearly not the brainest or tactful thing. my apologies. --Merbabu 01:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whatever, Mary

At least my user page has some balls. Thenatureboy 05:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coito ergo sum?

That means,‘I fuck, therefore I am’ in Latin. Don't you want ‘Cogito ergo sum’, which means ‘I think, therefore I am’? ~crazytales56297 ^{O rly?} 13:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TheNatureBoy

I've not blocked him and two socks for a week. I expect he will continue to evade. If you stumble across obvious socks on other articles, please let me know and I'll whack those too. (Even if you did go to UIC. Blech. :)) Phil Sandifer 00:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we can handle this without RfC. He's generically disruptive, personal attacky, and rude. I'm happy to whack him for another week if it happens again, and then just indefinitely block for a third time, and I doubt anyone would reverse it. Phil Sandifer 16:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Admin Coaching (needs coaches!) Admin Coaching needs coaches!!! If you are an administrator, or even a generally experienced user, do consider signing up to be a coach. Admin Coaching, now being coordinated by HighwayCello, is a program for people who want help learning some of the more subtle aspects of Wikipedia policy and culture. People are matched with experienced users who are willing to offer coaching. The program is designed for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. What's New? The Tutorial Drive is a new Esperanza program! In an effort to make complicated processes on Wikipedia easier for everyone, Esperanza working to create and compile a list of tutorials about processes here on Wikipedia. Consider writing one! A discussion on how Esperanza relates to the encyclopedia has been started; please add your thoughts. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Tbeatty's AfD Nominations

Note : That Tbeatty also nominated the evoting documentary 'Votergate' for AfD only a few short days ago. Tbeatty's nomination of Votergate - F.A.A.F.A. 08:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats!

I just wanted to congratulate you on your first barnstar. You deserved it. I remember when i got my first barnstar less than a month ago. I was really excited. Now I have 3 barnstars. Keep up the great work and you will surely get more! Cheers, Jam01 03:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding ECOTM

Please go to the main Esperanza talk page to discuss the new proposal of the Esperanza Collaboration of the month. I ask you this because you have joined up, but we still need opinions and support. Thank you. DoomsDay349 04:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E@L support barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Though what you did is not so random, I, on behalf of E@L, award you this barnstar for ll your support. Randfan 18:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thank you

Hello Jayron32, and thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I'm slowly recovering, though it will probably be some time before I return fully to Wikipedia. I'm taking advantage of the weekend to try to catch up on all the messages that I have received. Thanks again! --Kyoko 01:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you so much!

Thank you so much for your support! I can't say thank you enough for the support that you have shown me over the past few days. It means the world to me, and has certainly helped me along the road to recovery! I will cherish forever the kind messages and "gifts" that were sent to me and think of them whenever times are rough. I didn't realise that my absence would cause so much concern, and I apologise if I caused anyone undue stress. I feel that I owe you an explanation, at least! for what happened, to return in some small way the kindness you showed to me. I will post it here as soon as possible, if you would like to know the reason for my brief departure and the links on my userpage. Thank you, Jayron, for showing your support for me. I appreciate it to no end, and cannot say thank you enough. It means the world to me! If there is any way I can help you, please do not hesitate to drop by. Editor at Large(speak) 04:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Essay

If you don't mind, I'm adding your essay on my userpage at User:Ed#Essays.--Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 00:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't think of a good barnstar for you. I guess the people here on Wikipedia don't like giving out awards to people who have a critical opinion about the community itself. =) --Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 04:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Liberty
		For making a well-written essay giving his opinion on the community of Wikipedians. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 04:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Not that writing your opinions are strange-no one really ever takes the time to speak up! --Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 04:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] COI?

How is this a conflict of interest? I HAVE NO interests in Arch Coal, or that article, and never did. Thus there is no conflict. And what is Esperanza? Lady Nemisis 05:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

So Esperanza is like Myspace then? And I'm not writing about corporations or companies but any subject that a client pays for. Did you see my rates? Lady Nemisis 05:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page

The only thing about my location on my userpage is my time zone. BTW, my parents say it's okay to put that information on there. FLaRN (talk) 15:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ad hominem arguments

Jayron, An article I wrote is under deletion review and was deleted for ad hominem arguments which are being defended by other editors. Given our recent conversation I'd appreciate your voice in the matter.Dgray xplane 16:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

---

What if I don't always feel like signing my comments? Like now, I feel like being difficult.

Now your making threats? That seems a little out of portion. ArmAndLeg

People seem to be responding to my comments just fine without my signature there. - Difficult Person.

[edit] DYK!

On 26 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Standard Oil of Kentucky , which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Aksi_great (talk) 14:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US Bill of Rights

Hi - your edit summary in which you shortened the introduction mentions that the TOC should be visible. According to WP:LEAD the intro should summarize the entire article and be several paragraphs in an article of this size. I'm going to reconstruct the old intro, just wanted to give you a heads up, I know your changes were in good faith. Kaisershatner 16:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] user signatures - personalities

Thanks for your very interesting analysis of signatures and how they relate to personality types. It was quite informative. If you would care to reply to this comment please leave a message on my talk page ;) RichMac (Talk) 08:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that, both comments where at the same level and I just read through his sig. Happy editing to you too! RichMac (Talk) 01:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samuel L. Jackson

I touched the section up about Snakes on a Plane a little bit. I could remove the critic's response about him since it is just one critic and probably deserves to be on the Snakes on a Plane article itself. However, I don't think it should be whittled down anymore since he did receive a significant amount of media attention for the film and the music video. Let me know if this is fine or if there are any other problems. --Nehrams2020 06:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I addressed the problems you listed about the article, do you think you could take another look at it? I added a better history of his film career by decade, and removed the 50 Cent controversy along with most of the Snakes on a Plane information. However, the article is now 31 kb long. Will that affect it getting to good article status? Let me know if anything else needs to be improved, I really want to get this headed to good article status. Thanks again for helping to critique it. --Nehrams2020 09:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking over the article again and approving it for WP:GA. The film you listed as not included in the filmography was under a different title, but I changed it to include both titles. I'll keep a close eye on this article, ensuring new information is appropriately added and sourced. --Nehrams2020 22:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park GA

Regarding your suggestions for KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park - I can certainly work to fix the tone of the plot synopsis, but I'm not sure what can be done about citations. I took a look at some of the other film-related GAs (Batman Begins, The Blair Witch Project, Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, and X-Men: The Last Stand to name a few), and none of their plot summaries have any citations. Thoughts? --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 15:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Any updates? The article's been on hold for more than a week now. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 15:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the advice

I just wanted to thank you for the advice re: "the munchies". It was a somewhat childish article but it was my thought that it would be a good starting point. You're point on verifiability is well taken, I put in references to two recent films which I see now is not really enough, and your point on the difference between an encyclopedia and a dictionary should have been even more obvious, but I didn't even think. I only discovered wikipedia a month ago and have been spending several hours or more a day reading it. It may sound strange but your extremely gentle criticism actually makes me feel more at home on wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Colin 8 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Just a couple questions

- How do you ask for a citation, I am loath to run around changing articles but I do feel that many statements require a citation and don't have one, I did edit a page today that referred to American and European foreign adventures, I changed it to "wars and incursions" do you think this was reasonable? NPOV is the most important Wikipedia rule in my opinion - Re: talk pages, I Have been on several talk pages over the last few days for the first time, my question is actually several, is there a point in responding to a point made months ago? and is it impolite to go to somebody's talk page to discuss it?. Also how far are you supposed to go regarding discussing the actual issue in the article rather than the article?, the line seems blurry. - How in the world do you decide the importance of fancrup?, it seems like there is a lot of it and discussions on whats legit and whats not are kinda arbitrary, a good example would be character bio's on south park, I like these and many other things like them, but can see the need for limits. The question is what are they?. - what is Esperanza, it seems like something I would like to involve myself in but perhaps I'm not experienced enough. Thanks a lot for your time and please tell me if i'm getting on your nerves--Colin 8 08:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

Ok, I get all of your insightful Village pump (news) post except the part I bolded ..... Pokemanistarwarsi16thdivisionenglishfootballleague .... are there really that many crank editors about Polish 16th Infantry Division? - DavidWBrooks 22:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Would you mind taking a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bryan_Brandenburg

Thanks Linux monster 00:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I appreciate you dropping into the Brandenburg AFD discussion. It was getting a little out of hand and needed an outside view.

I've made some basic structure changes to the article but if you have any suggestions, I'm all ears.

Thanks again,

Linux monster 22:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for List of Finnish Films et al.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I put a hell of a lot of work into setting those up and we need some kind of list for information purposes. I swet up the nice boxes to help people learn. Why iare these lists any different to List of Acts of Parliament of the United Kingdom Parliament, 1707-1719 or any of the other thousands of long lists on wikipedia? They are for information purposes. I feel that I am being targetted once again. What is the problem with a list of films? I will be removing your deletion tags. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

And no it is not happy editing. Certain people are making my life a terrible misery on wikipedia. When thos elists are completed there will be far more films listed than in the categories. Information is there at your fingertips and if you require knowledge of films any where on the planet the navigation box immediately connects you to them. I am extremely disappointed in some people's repsonse to this. There are thousands of lists on wikipedia why are these any different particularly when they are for information purposes. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Pleas see my comments on the deletion log page. And this is not a list of every x film very unotable films will not be included and dodgy porn films or whatever will not make the list. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sick of you and others acting as if I am a buffoon. For God's Sake I am redirecting 80 years of film to categories which already have lists and serve the purpose. However I may need to draw up lists for films betweeen 1896 and 1910 as there are practically no films in the categories. Oh yes of course a lists of films by year is really unencyclopedic (sarcasm) You really amaze me people. Navigation box is remaining though - useful for connecting all years in fuilms not just near years - The idea of lists is to survey the history of films but I may as well go ahead and create articles to save me doing the lists / User:Calton is a serious knob that he wants to delete everything I do . Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A friendly-worded cease-and-desist . Don't patronize me. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the same was said to me after trying to be conversant and hopefully of help. I just wanted to inform you, that the issue has finally reached Film Project talk and that in the light of what I have understood of your comments and writings, I have tried to present a useful move. If you care to take a look and let me know if I missed something, I would appreciate it. I may soon be joining the Esperanzians, by the way. I need to better understand how some things work first. Hoverfish 20:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD of Adams County Public Library

If you feel "this should be covered in each municipality/county where each is covered", then why did you choose to delete, when a merge would suffice to fulfill your belief? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End to personal vandalism.

Thanks for the understaning 'Jayron'. I'll watch what I say from here on out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.58.155.78 (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Hey mate. Sorry if I was a little harsh its just from what I saw is that you said to delete both and I was sure I read a comment of yours that I need a talking to or something. Its just I wake up the morning and see allthe year lists up for deletion and I kind of got annoyed. Beleive me I would rather not have to make unneccessary lists. You see I have looked through most of the years and realise there is aleady a great deal of work done particualry 1950 onwards so rather than created the lists it is better to redirect to them. The navigation boxes though I rthink are extremely useful and shoul dnever be deleted. Rather than start the lists I have decided to redirect to the categories and search out missing film by year and contribute that way to way new articles and info is created and the lists in the categories will become more complete. Ny only concern is that if I start new articles on film Calton will again attempt to delete everything under the living sun i am involved with. Apologies if I was rude its just very frustrating when I am doing something which I think is very beneficial and to have people look at it like a piece of dirt.

Both navigation boxes now should be used in the categories as a quick movement between them connecting to all of global film on wikipedia. If there are no objections I will now concentrate on new articles from 1896 - 1910 which are very poorly covered. Can we make up? I would appreciate all the support available to develop foreign films and earlier films. It is easier now I more concise if i root out the missing articles by the categories and add them with my sole aim on wikipedia to provide infomration. I initally thought the lists were to this purpose but may not be needed. Can we make up?

All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

hey mate have read your comments on the film page not the deletion page and see you can see exactly where I am coming from. Thankyou so much well done. The reason I wanted such braod lists was to root out missing articles, decide which is notable and add them to the project. But this can now be achieved by starting films by just looking in the categories to see what is missing. Just redirect the box templates to the categires and use them within them. Anothe rmisunderstanding was that you mentioned the two different lists 1896 in film and List of 1896 films but they were not intended to be sepaerate. I intended on every year that the list rather than going alongside it would actually be a part of it branching out from years in film. Very few films were listed on the annual main pages and i always and would always provide a link to the lfuller lists which was intended to be an expansion of it. THis is why I alos thought it was neccessay to expand existing articles onto new pages. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drew Carey

I reworked the Drew Carey page and would like to put it up for Good Article Nomination. Would you like to look it over and see if there is anything that needs to be fixed before I nominate it? You did a job assessing the Samuel L. Jackson page, so I came to you first to avoid a quick-fail. Let me know on my talk page if anything needs to be fixed or if I should nominate it. Thanks again. --Nehrams2020 02:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response, however, I need some clarification on a few of your points. The framework you suggested is great, and I have already applied it. What information do you suggest go in the promotional work section? You suggested removing the Harvard referencing I added for information from his autobiography; how then would I cite it from the book itself? Finally, what do you mean by the "main" template. Am I seeking protection for the page, his shows? I don't understand that at all. Let me know soon, and I'll do my best to correct them. I am currently working on developing the Kinney/Stiles section. --Nehrams2020 04:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, understand the "main" template, forget that part. --Nehrams2020 04:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

According to this interview[1], Kathy Kinney did not really know Drew that well before the start of the Drew Carey Show besides their work on the previous sitcom. I don't think I should mention the Kinney/Stiles relationship, since he probably has similar friendships/involvement with most if not all of the members of the Improv All-Stars, which I included as its own section. Likewise, the ad promotion section won't really amount to much, I haven't really found him involved to be the spokesman for too many products except for his Lasik eye surgery, which I somewhat listed, and the one with A&W which was already there. I am currently working on developing his work with stand-up and will include information about the Drew Carey Show from his autobiography to expand it more. Once I finish with that, I'll let you know it is done, and we can start this again. --Nehrams2020 05:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the spelling error on the Samuel L. Jackson page. Now, I have added sources from his autobiography to a few sections and also included two more pictures of him in two of his shows. Is there any other information that needs to be added? Also, do I need to put this up for nomination, or can you just establish it (once it's ready) since you are one of the members of WP:GA? Thanks again for all of your help, I really do need outside people like yourself to look at this article to push me to improve it even more. --Nehrams2020 06:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I fixed the corrections you recommended and nominated it. Sorry, I thought you were one of its members. You have helped me so much with the two articles you should consider becoming a member, you would be an excellent asset for the WP. I don't think I could ever assess other articles as well as you do and approve/deny articles, so I'll stick to just adding the articles. A question about good articles, I don't know where to ask it, how come there is no good article symbol at the top right of the screen like featured articles do? Good articles seem to have the same format, project-wise, and I think it would be better for editors to see that an article was only a good article and see to continue to approve it to featured article status. Don't know if you know that, just want to see if you know where I could ask it or find info about it. Again, thanks for all the help, and I hope I can use you again in the future with my next good article attempt. --Nehrams2020 07:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I really appreciate the barnstar. Again, I couldn't have brought those two articles up to good article status without your help! I am going to be pursuing a couple more in the next couple weeks and I'm coming to you first for help. You talked about joining the Wikiproject:GA on my talk page, but did you join yet? Let me know if you do. --Nehrams2020 22:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An article in need of a fresh start

Hi again. My attention was brought to Wikipedia:Notability (films). I have read the past editors' discussion and acknowledge the difficulties met. Yet for the Film Project this article, if developed to guidelines status, would be of invaluable help. Should we call in a team of experienced editors for a fresh start? Hoverfish 08:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Electronic packaging" work in progress

I've responded to your remarks in the article's discussion page. Google book search finds a large literature on the subject; I haven't looked at any of it yet.

Myllivolt 06:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Myllivolt

[edit] Finding citations

I was wondering if you could help me find some citations regarding some of the points I made on the talk page for the page secular ethics. I just spent the last hour or so writing it (its under the title criticism) and I find it unlikely I made truly new points, the talk page makes a point of asking for a criticism and I provided a laypersons point of view, but that's clearly not encyclopedic without citations and I wouldn't know where to look. I don't know if the issue is your forte but I figured I'd ask, I don't mean to be a bother but its the best thing I have ever written on an intelligent topic (for whatever its worth) and can't believe I made these points first. --Colin 8 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park

Your "on hold" review for this article has lasted for over 7 days. It is time that you passed or failed this article. Diez2 22:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)