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Contents 1 Elections 2001 2 Move/Retitle 3 Neutrality 4 Some POV points eliminated 5 Removing Successes and Failures 5.1 Major successes of her government 5.2 Shortcomings and Failures 6 NPOV tag added on 1 Dec 2005 7 wrong edits by 195.83.212.235 8 blp 9 Personal Life 10 Screenshots removed

[edit] Elections 2001

The election results in 2001 where not unprecedented. In fact, the AIADMK could win only four seats in the previous elections, 2 of its members later split.

-- Sundar 05:21, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Move/Retitle

Is there any reason why this shouldn't be moved to "Jayalalithaa Jayaram". That seems to be the proper title in keeping with wiki style. Feco 22:53, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

We can move it but for the fact that she's not well known by that name and she herself doesn't use the full form anywhere. Also, in this part of India, surnames are only either a necessity due to passport and other federal documents or due to some political figure wanting to show his/her political lineage. -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 05:28, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

I suppose the neutrality of the article is disputed due to the following.

Her successes Relaxation camp for elephants that served in temples ==> well disputed Attracting many IT companies to Chennai - including INFOSYS ==> not to be trumpeted Successfully implementing rain water harvesting measures on schedule. ==> Let Chennai's water problem be solved first.

On deeper consideration, we don't even need to include her successes! Apart from these, all the other stuff mentioned seem to be facts. The non-NPOV tag can then be removed.

I strongly feel there should be a commendation for her bold efforts (revoking free power, etc). We could also include the unpopular midnight harrasment of Karunanidhi which led to widespread riots. 155.69.5.235

Insert non-formatted text here== Dont Defame Her - She is Really a Revolutionary Leader ==

I Really Ready to Aruge with those who are defaming her in a Informal bad manner...

She has Made many Good things to Tamil Nadu and India.. Her Recent Achivements are enomrous and that has made a Tamilnadu a Most favoured destination for Direct Foriegn Investments..

Some of her achievments are untold or mislead by medias..  in Tamilnadu or we shall tell like this also, the south india's media is under the arms of the corrupted hands of M.Karunanithi. His Grandson is the Media moughl of south india..

So that media is disgracing her. but her dedicated efforts and her affection on people and particulary on tamil people and women is untold and unseen by these scanvengers....

Her Good Steps which has been Welcomed and applaized by Genaral Public..

1 . Implementing A strong Measure on RAINWATER HARVESTING . this has significantly improved the water levels in all parts of tamilnadu.

2. Her Efforts on TSUNAMI Relif...

  As soon she heard something has happended badly in the costal areas he immedatly ordered the officals to do the needful and went to  the affected areas for direct relif efforts..

 If she waited for few more mintues she would be also affected by second tsunami waves... she is bold lady and iron lady of india. she continoued her efforts in the relif in a proper and well planned manner.,,,

This has brought her to the global arena.. now world bank has sanctioned a huge sum to the affected people relif and with her visionary and modern taught  a massive rebuilding of tamilnadu coastal work is going on...

3. Her Concerns on WOMEN EMPOWERMENT & EDUCATION..

 She understood the strugles of women, she was very active in providing all sort of support to goverment schools and offer a quality education.. in some parts of tamilnadu they wont let their female child out when it grown  up, she ordered a strong measure with the sceme name "KATAYA KALVI" - "EDUCATION MUST" and ordered her officals to door knock all houses in rural areas and spread the message and enroll students in schools..

this is great succesive scheme where large number of female students have joined in the schools now, he also recruited and filled the vaccanicies in goverment schools and to improve quality of education..

she has also offered free bi-cycle to all female students from rural and urban goverment schools. so that now many students from these areas are the toppers in the results..

does her efforts stopped... never....

Recently she has impletemented a new scheme ,those who are studing in goverment schools  from 1 st standard to 12 th will recive free books and notes .

even last week  she has abolized old admission process and has lighted the dreams of rural low income students to get in proffesional courses.. 

she also introduced self help groups among women and thus it created a massive job oppursunites and a high level of income to women, once they were called as home makers now they are the business women of rurals...

as this schems was big sucess she has impleted once such to employed youth...

She is strong law keeper and when ever she finds a law breaker sure they will be punished. is this wrong ?

for it is not a karunanidthi or kamakodi all are one, if they breaks law . defently she will take law to do its due course and safe guard law and order.

Now People of Tamilnadu Under stood her... thats why they had given her a massive victory in two bi-polls..

her rivalary was 7 party co-liasion and she a single lady , people  was on her side , they made her a landslide victory and by swiping 7 party to a trash can.

in coming months  tamilnadu is going for state polls , i assure this time she is going to win all the seats and it is a guiness record, there will no opposite party will win in the elections..

People is on her side and i personally dont feel for your bloody defame... 

soon i am going to lauch a dedicated website for our amma who has giving our tamil people a new life and new power. 

we support amma [JAYA MAM ] till our souls REST IN PEACE....

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# Please sign your name whenever you post anything on the talk page.

# Media in South India is fair. We have neutral papers like The Hindu, Deccan Chronicle, Indian Express, etc. And neutral channels like Doordarshan (Free to all). You do not need to blame the entire media for a small group of people.

# You cant generalise and say that her steps are successful. We do not have any concrete indicators. For example, give information supporting RWH - some stat which says RWH increased the max during her period due to her efforts or not. Only then can you make a statement that she was successful

# Successes will be listed only if a person has been conferred an award or title.

[edit] Some POV points eliminated

some of the pov and biased points have been weeded and added some trivia and conspiracy theories. the point on the success of elimination of video piracy is a joke as anyone in the media industry will tell u. it has only created a much advanced piracyregime including that of internet and downloading etc. with DVD piracy on the rise. initial success does not equate with long term success. Idleguy 07:19, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

An article on a political figure is not a piece of propaganda. It does NOT need to include the person's successes, unless they have been noted by a national or international body or organisation in the form of an award or a title. - 155.69.5.234

[edit] Removing Successes and Failures

Successes and failures have to be supported by concrete facts and conferment of awards or titles by national and international agencies. For the lack of the above, and also for the very fact that success or failure is disputed, it has been removed from the main article. QUOTE

[edit] Major successes of her government

1. Banning of High interest private loans
2. Banning lottery tickets to encourage savings
3. Elimination of the much feared bandit Veerappan.
4. Introduction of Videoconferencing in Jails and Courts, thus eliminating the need to bring the accused to extend the remand every time.

[edit] Shortcomings and Failures

1. Anticonversion law - which she subsequently withdrew following the drubbing she had in 2004 Lok Sabha Elections
2. H Ration Cards - subsequently withdrawn
3. Cancelling the entrance exams for admission to professional courses

UNQUOTE 1.Rain Harvesting Scheme introduced by J.Jayalaitha is Grand Success.

2.Rural Women Self Help Programme is also benifitted lakhs of ladies in villages.

[edit] NPOV tag added on 1 Dec 2005

Numerous PoV additions in the article. Some partially justified by links and criticisms, some are definitely in need of justification or removal. These are especially found in the 'Corruption Charges' and 'Extravagant Lifestyle' sections. Imc 19:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] wrong edits by 195.83.212.235

the following edit is factually incorrect.

"In line with the supreme court ruling she stepped down as the chief minister and O Panneerselvam a junior minister of her party was sworn in as the new chief minister. Her opponents called Mr. panneerselvam a "puppet". In the later days her conviction was overturned by a superior court resulting in her retunrning to the post she vacated in the first place."

There is no superior court than Supreme court in India. The earlier contents were more informative and correct. One wonders as to the need to delete the specific and correct points and include incorrect statements without even knowing that there is no superior court than Supreme Court.

The persons editing may kindly create an id and leave the id so that the continuity can be achieved. Aiadmk, dec 9, '05

[edit] blp

There's a ton of stuff on this article that, while almost certainly factual, is not sufficiently cited. JJ is famously litigious, so unless something is done about refs soon, much of it will have to be removed per WP:BLP. Hornplease 08:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes please. But the "controversial" section of her being MGR's mistress is backed by tons of sources. Her so called marriage with Shoban Babu unless backed by a proper cite will have to go soon. However I read in a Tamil magazine about Karunanidhi making a remark about her link with Mr. Babu from a 1989-1990 assembly speech. However, if anyone cannot get a cite from the original 1971 Tuqlak mag or another solid source, it has to go soon. Idleguy 14:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Idleguy, Your frequent edits violates following points on Wikipedia policies on living persons.

Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual preference should not be used unless two criteria are met:

The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or preference in question The subject's beliefs or sexual preferences are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life Caution should be used in adding categories that suggest the person has a low reputation. See Invasion of privacy#False light.

She is the political leader. She cannot be used with titles like Concubine. Wikipedia policy on living persons clearly states that we have to exercise great caution while editing about living persons. All citation quoted by you cannot be considered verifiable. You can attack her political decisions. You cannot launch personal attack. I can quote many points from wikipedia policy to justify my argument. But I don't want to launch edit war. I hope you will stay will away from launching personal attack on any individual.

Thanks --Lravikumar 16:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Pl see my response here. Idleguy 18:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You should have only blanked the page after a consensus was reached. More over, there is nothing called as Gossip Magazine. It is Magazine. And I don't agree with you calling all the sources as Gossip Magazines. You should note that the para is based on well cited sources, which no one in Tamil Nadu can disagree.

Point two. I disagree with your view that don't mind if you attack about her political decisions/political life etc Even that has to be cited and there should be more sources for that.

Remember that it is clearly given (in another article) that another Tamil Nadu CM has two wives.

If people go on blanking all that is not good about their favourite leaders, then we will have no articles in Wikipedia at all.

There is no policy in Wikipedia which says you cannot write about affairs. (Note that Sexual Orientation is different from affairs). See Princess Diana and Bill Clinton for example. Of course, you cannot write completely baseless affairs. But the para is question is NOT ORIGINAL RESEARCH and should be maintained as it is well cited. Doctor Bruno 19:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Given that consensus from the two who have responded on noticeboard suggests that no policies have been violated, I presume it's ok for me to now add some more sources for the live in relationship with MGR etc. Idleguy 10:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Life

It is not correct to write something that one is not sure of. MGR had three wives - 1st wife's name was Thangamani. After her death MGR married Sadanandavathi and then he married V.N.Janaki. Manirathnam's movie is not a true biographical account of MGR's or Karunanidhi's life and if it is so that character of Aiswarya Rai - the actress dies before MGR. MGR never had a long standing extramaritial relationship with Jayalalitha. MGR never loved Jayalalitha and has never stated anywhere that he loves Jayalalitha. It would be better if the title of the picture of MGR and Jayalalitha that she was the lady love of MGR in real and reel life is removed. The media is making up things that are not true and that is being given as citations. kumarrajendran 18:00, 4 November 2006

I think you should read the previous messages on the same issue. This has already been discussed in length. Also see Wikipedia:Verifiability official policy. Tx Idleguy 14:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots removed

Film screenshots are not eligible for fair use in an article like this, unless the film in question is being critiqued/discussed. Therefore they have been removed from the article. kumarrajendran 04:00, 5 November 2006