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Contents 1 Push to FA 2 I have a question to ask... 3 -kuru 4 Minor Mistake? 5 Kosoado 6 Sorry but the page is too complicated

[edit] Push to FA

Let's get this article to featured article status. One year ago, after the previous failed FA nomination, I thought this article was 50% there. Not much seems to have changed from how I left it last year. What remains to be done? Many of the objections from the previous nomination don't seem irrelevant now. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri @ 09:29, July 9, 2006

[edit] I have a question to ask...

Why is は romanized as "wa" in this article, shouldn't it be "ha"? I got confused as I read the article. Samusfan80 19:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Please read Hepburn romanization#Particles. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 11:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh I see, I guess I dont read romaji sentences often cause I think it's hard to understand romaji without any characters written beside it. Samusfan80 15:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] -kuru

Towards the end of this thread on a Sailormoon fandom board, there's discussion about the auxiliary verb "kuru". Can someone confirm this, please? Danny Lilithborne 07:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The table is not "wrong", but it is incomplete: the auxiliary kuru can have inceptive, perfective and conclusive uses. Compare:

戦争のために多くの人間が死んできた。

sensō no tame ni ōku no ningen ga shinde kita

Due to the war a lot of people have died (perfective)

雨が降ってきた。

ame ga futte kita

It started to rain. (inceptive)

時代が異なってきた。

jidai ga kotonatte kita

The times changed. (conclusive, i.e., the "come to V" sense mentioned in that thread)

It may be that the various senses of the auxliary depend on the kind of verb (punctual or continual) they are attached to, but I'm not sure. Will search for clues in Martin or Shibatani when I get a chance. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 08:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Mistake?

In this article, 連体詞 (prenomials) are listed under 付属詞 (ancillary words), whereas they are listed under 自体詞 (independent words) in the dictionaries 広辞苑　(koujien) and 大辞林 (daijirin), the encyclopedia 百科事典マイペディア (hyakkajiten maipedia), not to mention the Japanese version of Wikipedia. Anyone mind if I change this, or is there something I've missed? chunkyasparagus 11:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with your suggested change. Be bold in updating pages. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 17:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kosoado

First, apologies for having "corrected" mesial to medial. I infer from googling that the former is used in linguistic as well as dental and anatomical contexts. However, I still don't have a full understanding of what it means -- perhaps because the version I have of Crystal's dictionary is greatly out of date, I don't have the Cambridge textbook on Person at hand now, and I don't know where to look.

A second reading of what the article says about kosoado gives me a better impression than the one I got yesterday, when I encountered the article for the first time and was happy with it until I reached that point. Anyway, the best description I found of this matter when I needed to investigate it a couple of years back was:

Hoji, Hajime, Satoshi Kinsui, Yukinori Takubo, and Ayumi Ueyama (2003) The demon­strat­ives in modern Japanese. In A. Li and A. Simpson, eds., Functional struc­ture(s), form and interpretation: perspectives from east Asian languages. London: Routledge. In PDF form, previously here (link now dead); now here.

It's not easy reading. (It's particularly difficult for me now, as it seems I don't have a suitable font installed in my newly and incompletely set up Kubuntu system: display is hideous and barely decipherable.) And the paper is most interesting about so, and the primary author writes here that The treatment of the deictic so-NPs in the paper is clearly not satisfactory, and I am currently working on it, based on the presentations at ATR and Nanzan at the end of 2000.

Perhaps there is now something better. -- Hoary 07:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry but the page is too complicated

Please make it more simple.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.134.168.217 (talk • contribs) .

Japanese grammar is complicated. Do you have any particular area which you think should be improved? Mlewan 08:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what anon is objecting to, but I have proposed in the past that this article be moved to wikibooks and only a brief summary left in wikipedia. Currently it reads like a pedantic grammar textbook than an approachable encyclopedia article. In fact, it doesn't give anything resembling a historical perspective on the subject of "Japanese grammar". Fixing this has long been on my list of things to do when I can find a bit of free time. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 09:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)