Talk:Japanese bondage

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[edit] Japanese term

What is the name for this? Is it Kinbaku, Shibari or Nawa shibari? Or are these all equally good terms? How much of this is authentically Japanese, and how much a Western interpretation?

Thank you for the Japanese characters!

Yeah. I think Shibari is a (somewhat) autherical term in Japan. Honestly I don't know the difference between Kinbaku and Shibari. In Japanese, Kinbaku is literally strict bounding. --- Taku 17:09 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Shibari is actually a Japanese word that originally had nothing to do with bondage. It simply meant "to tie" or something to that effect. Oddly enough, in Japan the same art was called "bondage" at some point. When American GIs brought Shibari to the West, they also coined the word. Today, the word has found its way back into the Japanese culture.

Kinbaku, or more accurately Kinbaku-bi, is best translated as the erotic art of bondage.

Nawa means "rope" or "hemp rope." So Nawa Shibari is really just more descriptive than just Shibari

Does anyone have any documentation of the use of the word "Shibari" before the internet? I have strong doubts about the WWII GI story. Second, for the record—no one in Japan used Shibari to describe bondage until the word was misused in the west, gained acceptance and then was brought back to Japan. The Japanese use Kinbaku, Kinbaku-bi or Sokubaku.

I have linked a site that depicts Japanese bondage -- some of the pictures contain nudity, but not in a salacious or pornographic way: it's quite hard to find non-porn links on this subject

It is my understanding that in the Japanese culture, sexuality has a very different place from our (American) culture. The fact that it appears pornographic is very much a part of the art, and pretty much inseparable. In a way, it's not unlike art from ancient Greece, or even from Rubens and others.

To write in Japanese on this subject, please see the pathetic placeholder at 縛り on the Japanese Wikipedia.

About the term uke: this is second-hand, based on reading Usenet -- I believe it is a re-use of the martial arts term -- again, is the authentic, or Western misinterpretation?

I have never heard the term uke in this context. I have sometimes heard the term "Dorei" but have been told that this is too strong a word (it means "slave"). Jujun is another term I have heard used. It seems to be perfectly OK to use the Western term "bottom." My sensei (teacher, elder) uses the term "model".

(Answers by Cadenas) External link: http://ds-arts.com/RopeArt/

[edit] Nose thingy

Does anyone know what is this thing on the woman's nose? Is this a Japanese invention? I only tend to see it in Japanese erotica. What is its name and history? AlexQ 22:05, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is a nose hook. Not sure if there is a Japanese name for it, nor if it is historic or a recent invention. I suspect it is actually historic.

The idea behind it is related to the history of Shibari in general: it is derived from Hojojutsu, which originally was a technique both for torture and for humiliation. The nose hook ties into the humiliation aspect, making the woman's face look like a pig's face.history

(Answer by Cadenas)

[edit] More material for y'all

There was a messy article on "shibari" before I turned Shibari into a redirect here. Click on that first link and you'll land on the page, as it was. There could be something useful there that isn't here; it's all GFDL, so go for it. -- Hoary 07:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)