Talk:Jane Annie

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I'd love to give the source that said this, but I cannot remember it. I'm sure it was in a G&S book at my local library, but they recently got rid of the entire collection, so I can't go and see which one it was in. It might have been one of the D'Oyly Carte/Savoy Theatre books; probably not Bailey or one of the more famous ones.

"I'd very much like to tell you all, You'd love to know about it. But just this point I don't recall, And as it's most material, we can't go on without it." :)

(Is this not appropriate??) Slfarrell 22:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Scott. Eventually, Wikipedia articles need to give citations (either page number references with bibliographical "references"; or external weblinks) for all factual assertions. However, the more controversial statements need to supported most urgently. So, when you create content on Wikipedia, try to cite your sources. Meanwhile, this is a good start to the article. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 22:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Something needs to change in the descriptions of J.A. Everywhere I find it on Wiki, it is called "a flop". I know it wasn't a successful show, but damn, use a thesaurus. Call it "failure" or something else - it's not the only word that describes its initial success rate. I don't mean to be nasty about it but I'm just tired from seeing that word again and again. Slfarrell 15:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. I went through the links and fixed this. -- Ssilvers 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't think anyone would take it seriously. Thanks Sam! Slfarrell 15:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I remember where I saw "worst libretto ever"! It wasn't a book, but the intro page to Ian Bond's libretto. However, he does not list a source for it, so it may be just an opinion of someone he communicated with. I suppose I should ask him? Slfarrell 21:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever read Fallen Fairies? That's far more tedious than JA. Despite its confusion, JA is rather amusing in many places, don't you think? -- Ssilvers 21:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read it. I rather liked it, but that was years ago. I saw the video by Newcastle G&S (they had the first revival - should that be mentioned on the appropriate page?), which didn't do it many favours. Yeah, JA is rather amusing. But it's such a mess. And guess who gets to revive it next October? [smiley] Slfarrell 15:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Synopsis

I read the synopsis and made a few minor copy edits, but I really could not follow it. Either it contains a lot of UK slang that I don't understand (and if so, please translate to more formal English, even if it is less humorous), or else it needs a few more clarifications. Can you please revise? Regards, -- Ssilvers 21:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that it really is this bad. I condensed as much as I could without giving away unnecessary details and gags. The plot is a theatrical nightmare. "Plot unsystematic/And very erratic" best describes it. Sorry - there's really nothing to revise. Slfarrell 22:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. The G&S archive page has an introduction from which you can get more background info for the article if you have time. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 22:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I've straightened out Act I a little, but Act II opens with "Caddie is discovered giving Bab, who is now his prisoner, an airing." - What. The. Hell? Adam Cuerden ^talk 04:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Likewise "She deflates their joy when she adds that the girls may assume the character of men." Otherwise, though, I think you've done a fairly good job at clarifying what's clearly a bizarre plot. Adam Cuerden ^talk 04:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've taken a bold guess as to the end of Act I. Check that's right? Adam Cuerden ^talk 15:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, those changes are pretty good. Your guess at the end of Act 1 is correct. Caddie's "giving Babs an airing" is apparently an excuse to get her outdoors so she can be a part of the action. Maybe the punishment is expanded - the girls are playing golf and she isn't allowed to participate, just sit and watch. Missus Sims says the girls can pretend to be men to liven up the last day of the semester (not that they'll need any help with THAT). I just copied what was in the libretto. Slfarrell 15:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so it's one of THOSE plays. Right. I've tweaked the first sentence: It may be very mild speculation, but it makes things make sense, which is important in such a convoluted work. Also, I was getting these views of Bab in bondage gear with the original phrasing, which probably means I watch too many B-movies. "Deflates their joy" seems to have been a mistake, so I changed it. Adam Cuerden ^talk 17:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Background

I assume that Adam did the background work on the opera - I was just about to do it! I also clarified that little bit about the boathouse. Slfarrell 15:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I added the background paragraph to the intro, but it certainly could be expanded if you like. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 17:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)