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[edit] Merge {{James Bond characters}}

The template is too big and most of the articles that have links on it are small. An example of this is most of the James Bond girls, they should all be merged into one article, possibly called List of James Bond characters. If this is not replied to in a couple days, I will merge them. Cbrown1023 17:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

True, it's a huge template but I'd rather have it than click on another article. Wiki-newbie 18:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I HAVE NOW SPLIT ALL OF THE CHARACTER BIOS CONCISELY INTO THE INDIVIDUALS FILMS BUT SOMEONE NEEDS TO SORT OUT THE NAVIGATION BOX DIRECTS AND THE INDIVIDUAL CHARACTER DIRECTSErnst Stavro Blofeld 11:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

How about merging characters by film? That would trim the list down to 21 entries. - X201 18:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be a good idea, but how would they be accessed? would you still use the {{James Bond characters}} template? Cbrown1023 18:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

My original idea would have been like:

v • d • e

Official James Bond film characters

Bond girls:	List of James Bond girls
Villains:	List of James Bond villains
Officials:	List of James Bond officials
Henchmen:	List of James Bond henchmen
Allies:	List of James Bond allies

But of course edit it a bit to make it look better. Your idea is good too... but would you want them to be like List of characters from Goldfinger. If so, then what about character who appear in more than one movie? Cbrown1023 18:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we just included the characters of a story in the article about that story, and then create redirects from the names of all characters so included to the article for the story? That way you have no separate "list of X characters" article," unless you want to create a general index as well. We'll still have separate articles for recurring characters, but that will cut down on the bloat of having every bad guy's henchman and girlfriend having their own article. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 13:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to merge them since this has been up to discussion for 11 days. Cbrown1023 00:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a rough idea of a film one

v • d • e

Official James Bond film characters

Bond girls by Film:	Dr. No - From Russia With Love - Goldfinger . so on ....
Villains by Film:	Dr. No - From Russia With Love - Goldfinger . so on ....
Officials:	List of James Bond officials
Henchmen:	List of James Bond henchmen See also villains by film
Allies by Film:	Dr. No - From Russia With Love - Goldfinger . so on ....

It's nice but the Blue on Black "Show" link dosen't do it any favours. X201 13:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I like yours.

[edit] Master Template at Template:007

I was thinking of having a master template for anything on James Bond, whether it be novels, films, characters, or what ever, I am working on a design now and I will post it on this page soon to see what you have to think??? SpecialWindler 04:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Lose the red banners on the template. It's ugly and makes my eyes hurt just looking at it. Stick to white text on black - it's simple, easy to read. 23skidoo 04:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original Template

Main Article:James Bond	The James Bond World	view • talk • edit

Publications

Characters

Uniques Locations/Things of the Films/Novels & Fictional Organisations

In-depth of the Films/Novels

Companies involved with Bond

Unofficial Films

Casino Royale (1954 TV) | Casino Royale (1967 spoof) | Never Say Never Again

Official Films

Novels

Robert Markham : Colonel Sun

John Pearson : James Bond: The Authorised Biography of 007

Christopher Wood : James Bond, The Spy Who Loved Me | James Bond and Moonraker

Charlie Higson (Young Bond) : SilverFin| Blood Fever | Young Bond Book 3 | Young Bond Book 4 | Young Bond Book 5

Kate Westbrook (Moneypenny Diaries) : The Moneypenny Diaries: Guardian Angel | "For Your Eyes Only, James" | Secret Servant: The Moneypenny Diaries | Moneypenny Diaries Book 3

R. D. Mascot (spinoff) : 003½: The Adventures of James Bond Junior

Unofficial/Unpublished : Per Fine Ounce | The Killing Zone | "The Heart of Erzulie"

There, I did my best

Could any one improve the novels section, i tried at least three different ways before simply going the way it is, but it looks a little untidy?????????
SpecialWindler 05:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

"Uniques Locations / Things of the Films" ??!! Is there, just perhaps, a better way to word that? Cardinal Wurzel 15:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

How about Locations, Vehicles, Objects & Organisations ? - X201 17:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested Template (feel free to edit this to make your suggestions on this template)

{{|Actors: Sean Connery George Lazenby Roger Moore Timothy Dalton Pierce Brosnan Daniel Craig|}}

The James Bond World

view • talk • edit

Publications

Characters

Fictional Locations, Vehicles, Objects & Organisations

Recurring Motifs

Companies involved with Bond

Unofficial Films

Casino Royale (1954 TV) | Casino Royale (1967 spoof) | Never Say Never Again

Official Films

Books

Robert Markham : Colonel Sun

John Pearson : James Bond: The Authorised Biography of 007

Christopher Wood : James Bond, The Spy Who Loved Me | James Bond and Moonraker

Charlie Higson (Young Bond) : SilverFin| Blood Fever | Young Bond Book 3 | Young Bond Book 4 | Young Bond Book 5

Kate Westbrook (Moneypenny Diaries) : The Moneypenny Diaries: Guardian Angel | "For Your Eyes Only, James" | Secret Servant: The Moneypenny Diaries | Moneypenny Diaries Book 3

R. D. Mascot (spinoff) : 003½: The Adventures of James Bond Junior

Unofficial/Unpublished : Per Fine Ounce | The Killing Zone | "The Heart of Erzulie"

[edit] Photos in the articles

Why are there only photos of the "James Bond Girls" in the articles for the movies? Why not have photos of all of his enemies and friend as well? 156.34.213.131 18:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure it is not intentional, there may not be images that can be used in other articles (either they are not on wikipedia or their copyrights cannot let them be used there). Cbrown1023 20:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inspiration contradiction

There seems to be a contradiction within this article and with another related article, Inspirations_for_James_Bond. This article states: "Fleming was inspired by a real spy - Dushan Popov, a Serbian playboy..." and "Although some names share similarities with Bond, none have ever been confirmed by Fleming, Ian Fleming Publications or any of Ian Fleming's biographers such as Fleming's assistant and friend, John Pearson." Also, the Inspirations_for_James_Bond article states: "Regarding him, Ian Fleming wrote in The Times, 21 October 1962: 'James Bond is a highly romanticized version of a true spy. The real thing is... William Stephenson'" Maybe I'm missing something, but these statements appear to conflict. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the subject could help. ndyguy 19:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the first I've heard of this Popov character. If a source can be cited (such as the recent James Bond: The Man and His World?) that would be good. About 6 months ago there was some bogus information added regarding an alleged inspiration for Bond; is this the same thing all over again? 23skidoo 23:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bond Girls

I think this page, especially the table is missing the Bond Girls. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.38.150.83 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 7 November 2006.

Please sign your comments. The Bond girls have their own page. 23skidoo 15:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Info

A big chunk of the bottom of the article went missing during a vandal/revert/vandal/revert episode over the last few days. I think I've managed to put back everything that went AWOL, could someone give the article a check over to make sure. Thanks - X201 14:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a missing movie in that chart. Never say never again. I dont know all the specifics, just figured someone would know if they seen it was missing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.196.117.80 (talk • contribs) 04:22, November 26, 2006.

Never Say Never Again is not considered an official Bond film. Prometheus^-X303- 14:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bond Girls By Film???

I some people may have noticed the henchmen and allies have gone under By films as seen on the James Bond characters template.

v • d • e

Official James Bond film characters

Bond girls:
Honey Ryder • Sylvia Trench • Tatiana Romanova • Jill Masterson • Pussy Galore • Dominique Derval • Patricia Fearing • Aki • Kissy Suzuki • Tracy di Vecenzo • Ruby Bartlett • Tiffany Case • Plenty O'Toole • Solitaire • Mary Goodnight • Andrea Anders • Anya Amasova • Dr. Holly Goodhead • Corinne Dufour • Melina Havelock • Bibi Dahl • Countess Lisl von Schlaf • Octopussy • Magda • Stacey Sutton • Pola Ivanova • Kara Milovy • Pam Bouvier • Lupe Lamora • Natalya Simonova • Paris Carver • Wai Lin • Dr. Molly • Dr. Christmas Jones • Jinx • Vesper Lynd • Solange
Villains:
Dr. No • Rosa Klebb • Auric Goldfinger • Emilio Largo • Ernst Stavro Blofeld • Dr Kananga/Mr Big • Francisco Scaramanga • Karl Stromberg • Sir Hugo Drax • Aristotle Kristatos • Kamal Khan • General Orlov • Max Zorin • Brad Whitaker • General Koskov • Franz Sanchez • Alec Trevelyan • Elliot Carver • Renard • Elektra King • Gustav Graves • Le Chiffre • Mr. White
Officials:
Felix Leiter • M • Miss Moneypenny • Q • General Gogol • Fredrick Gray • Other 00' Agents • Bill Tanner • Charles Robinson
Henchmen by film:
Dr. No • From Russia with Love • Goldfinger • Thunderball • You Only Live Twice • On Her Majesty's Secret Service • Diamonds are Forever • Live and Let Die • The Man with the Golden Gun • The Spy Who Loved Me • Moonraker • For Your Eyes Only • Octopussy • A View to a Kill • The Living Daylights • Licence to Kill • GoldenEye • Tomorrow Never Dies • The World is Not Enough • Die Another Day • Casino Royale
Allies by film:
Dr. No • From Russia with Love • Goldfinger • Thunderball • You Only Live Twice • On Her Majesty's Secret Service • Diamonds Are Forever • Live and Let Die • The Man with the Golden Gun • The Spy Who Loved Me • Moonraker • For Your Eyes Only • Octopussy • A View to a Kill • The Living Daylights • Licence to Kill • GoldenEye • Tomorrow Never Dies • The World Is Not Enough • Die Another Day • Casino Royale

Bond girls are more improtant than henchmen or allies, but as there is an average of 2-3 girls per film, should we put the articles by film?? It is part of the plan to make this template shorter??
SpecialWindler 06:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Box office figures

Did Thunderball really do 5 x You Only Live Twice ? Or is one inflation adjusted and the other real ? -- Beardo 01:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well spotted. Somebody was playing around with the figures. JW 13:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] has been vandalised

the word sex and porn seem to have been put in random places. letting you all know, id clean it up myself but, well i cant be bothered

[edit] Budget

can we confrim the budget for Casino Royale(2006) in the table it states it was 150 million US dollars but in the actual casino royale article it states it cost approximatly 130 million dollars.Barcode 16:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wrong numbers ($)

An excellent article, but there must be any absurdities:

The average US Box Office per Total Box Office ratio is always about 30 % (all Bond films). In "Die Another Day" it would be >70 %. I don't think this can be true (all other films have 20..40 %).
The Total Box Office per Admission ratio increases continuously from 0.83$ in 1962 to 5.08$ in 1999. There are two significant exceptions and I think, they very strong indicate wrong numbers: "Fireball" (three times higher) and "Die Another Day" (only the half).
Moreover, if you add the numbers, the summ will not be the same as in Wikipedia table.

--131.188.3.20 18:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC), DuMonde (GER)

Remark: Ok, obviously, my last week downloaded version had some vandalism. Now, most of current numbers ar correct, except the Budget: Adding the 20 numbers, I get 718, not 796 Mio $.--131.188.3.20 19:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC), DuMonde (GER)

[edit] James Bond is over 70 years old

James Bond is over 70 years old but still doing field missions for the MI6. Proof: At the end of You only live twice, M writes a eulogy to Bond, who he thinks died in Japan. In this eulogy, M reveals that Bond was born in the 1920s. A later book, Zero minus ten, is shown to happen in 1999. Therefore Bond must have been at least 70 years old at that time, and he's nearing 80 now. Not bad for an old-timer. JIP | Talk 19:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And Dennis the Menace is 55, etc etc Cardinal Wurzel 21:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Is Dennis's age or the current year ever stated in the Dennis comics? JIP | Talk 08:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Consider James Bond (character)#Alternative biographies and theories for an explanation (for Bond, not Dennis! ;) – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 13:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daniel Craig's picture

I wonder if someone could replace the picture of Craig's Bond with one that doesn't make him look like a flouncing pretty boy? A more recent shot with the right hair and everything (perhaps something from the film or pre-release stuff rather than from the initial announcement of the film) would be better than the one that's there now. I'd do it myself, but I don't like doing pics because of the potential legal issues. Thanks. --Possecomitatus 23:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Wasn't Cdr. Bond known as Mister Kiss Kiss Bang Bang to his fans? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.41.142.242 (talk • contribs) on 08:22, 27 November 2006.

And to Shirley Bassey and Dionne Warwick - see Thunderball (soundtrack), also http://www.ianfleming.org/index.shtml . -- Beardo 17:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to split Bond Films into its own article

I don't feel it is proper for the list of James Bond novels to be split off from this article, and yet the Bond films not only get a large section, but also an extensive chart as well. I would like to propose that James Bond films be made into its own article, with a sufficient link from this article. Either that or we just have to bring back a list of the novels. James Bond started out as a literary character and to emphasize the films over the books is incorrect. I'd like to see if there's any objectiosn before I go ahead and do this. Thoughts? 23skidoo 00:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Before "casting a vote" I'd like to know more about what you'd propose to leave in the "rump" article — bearing in mind that we already have James Bond (character) as well. – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 01:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe something should be done. This article has really destroyed James Bond as a literary creation and has clearly put more emphasis and thus bias on the films. This is not right and needs to be rectified. K1Bond007 06:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Dealing with the changing actor" section

My changes to the section involved deleting two items relating to the 1967 and 2006 Casino Royale films and restructuring the section into a paragraph rather than a list of four bullets. The part about the 2006 Casino Royale:

In the 2006 Casino Royale, where M promotes Bond to double-0 status, Dench's character is the same M we have seen with existing Bonds, whilst the film is set in the present day, suggesting a further transition of the name (and function), followed by the number and status. However, it's been suggested by the makers of Casino Royale that the movie is a "reboot" of the character.

...really doesn't say anything about "dealing with changing actors". The actor playing M in this case did not change, not to mention the film is set in a different continuity than the previous 20. The rationale given for reverting this part was "And regarding 2006 film, "reboot" doesn't mean there isn't "self-awareness." However, the section is not about "instances where filmmakers and actors are aware of what they're doing" or anything of the sort. The first sentence is really just WP:OR speculation about what it means that Dench played M before the reboot and after. There's no citation of a reliable source, so this is almost certainly one or two editors' original analysis. Second, this is an article about James Bond, not about M.

On the quote about the 1967 Casino Royale:

In the early scenes of the 1967 Casino Royale, David Niven's retired Bond berates M for giving his number and his name to a brash new agent; the description he gives fits Sean Connery's Bond.

My problems are twofold: first, it suggests that the film is from the same contunity as the Connery films, which it is not. A reader less familiar with the history of the films may get the wrong idea. Second, it's not a matter of dealing with different actors playing the same character within the franchise, which is, I believe, the spirit of what this section is getting at. The edit summary of the editor who reverted me says, "as regards 67 film, bear in mind how seriously Sellers took it; it shouldn't be totally written off like that." My deletion was not based on a belief that the film shouldn't be "taken seriously", but rather that it was set in its own continuity, not that of the Eon films, and as such there wasn't a need to deal with casting a different actor in the role. I see this quote as a piece of satire directed at the Connery films, not as a method of dealing with the fact that the Bond franchise has outlived the capacity to recast the same actors for the same roles. There is no citation affirming that this is what the line refers to, which brings up OR concerns.

Third, I think you could make the argument that this whole section is OR since it is an analysis and synthesis of the film dialogue. There are no citations, which leads me to believe that an editor who is also a fan wrote it becasue he finds the material interesting, not because his interpretation is a consensus opinion reflected in in source material.

Fourth, my edit that was reverted included cleaning up the prose and turning the section into paragraph form, which I hope most people would agree is more encyclopedic than a list.

I'd be in favor of reinstating my version, which was offered in good faith. Croctotheface 12:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Although I contributed some of that section, I actually agree with you that some of it (chiefly to do with the current film) is close to "O.R." since it's hard to pin down sources for each element (gathered from various interviews and articles, not, for my contributions at least, pure O.R.) I will try to glean some citations which I guess I shied away from doing when I first added some of those points because I don't particularly want to pour over the sources again! ;)

However, (going slightly off on a tangent here) I must say that the same charge can be directed at a great deal of several of the Bond articles, and if we are to be consistent there's a lot which is P.o.V. interpretation of the films. I don't want to seem to be trying to justify making Wikipedia into an essay site, which of course it is not, and I'm certainly not saying that two wrongs make a right. But at the same time it's always going to be a grey area when writing about fiction. I would hate to see the article turned into simply a list of films and characters, avoiding all reference to facts which are contradictory or cannot be checked because they never happened in the real world and are only referred to in passing by characters. Perhaps there's a debate for another place here about how we treat descriptions of fictional universes across Wikipedia.

On the specific point about the 1967 film not being part of the canon; I see the discussion at that point being about Bond, and not about the Eon films in particular. (The sub-heading levels bear this out; it's a sub-section of "films".) So although it doesn't directly deal with the decisions made by the official franchise, it does help describe the way in which people interested in Bond have chosen to develop the mainstream portrayal of the character over the years.

On the point about lists being unencyclopaedic, I'm afraid I just don't agree. Lists are valid parts of an article where they cover several distinct, relatively short points.

Overall, I'd be in favour of maintaining this section because it does state facts from the films, and the other way of viewing it is that it does describe things which were factually correct and simply tries to put them into context. Would a reasonable compromise be to remove the reference to the current film, which seems to me to be the most potentially controversial?

Also intended in the best of faith, and by the way, sincerely thanks for being so polite about it :-) – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 13:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your politeness as well (here, at least, and not so much in reverting my edits! ;) ). Anyway, to what you actually said:

It seems that we're in agreement (perhaps begrudgingly on your part) about the sentences dealing with the 2006 film, so I won't continue to discuss it.
On the subject of original research, I think that you're aware of the problems that the section/artilcle has with it. Your answer does, as you acknowledge, smack of "two wrongs make a right." I think that most Wikipedia editors who write about things thay they are also fans of run into this issue. My approach is basically that while you don't need to rigorously question whether your pet article has OR, if someone else comes along and points out a case where it does, the jig is up, and you should acknowledge it and not obstruct that person's edits. If you're really suggesting that we can excuse OR here because it exists elsewhere, then anyone could use that argument to prevent OR from being removed from any article.
For the 1967 film, if the passage dealt with the subject you're talking about: development of how Bond was portrayed, then I'm not sure it would belong in this section. I think that if you really consider what the spirit of this section is about, you'd agree with me that it's really about the complexity of the Bond from Dr. No being the same character as the Bond from Die Another Day, and the troubles that can arise when you have the same character, same continuity, and a different actor. However, the passage in question really isn't about either development of the portrayal or the difficulties with "same character/different actor", it's about one joke in a parody that makes reference to the material they are parodying. The whole film is conscious of the fact that another set of Bond movies exist; it's not particularly striking that there's a line that references Connery's portrayal. It is certainly not an exception to the way that the films generally change actors without acknowledging it, since there was no change of actors in the continuity that that film is set in.
I was not suggesting that lists are unencyclopedic, just that a list is not an appropriate way to organize this kind of information. In general, my view is that paragraphs should be used when possible, and bulleting off a mere four examples rather than incorporating them into a coherent paragraph just strikes me as lazy writing. It makes the section look like a trivia section, which pushes the boundaries of what should be included in an encyclopedia.

For the time being, I'd be fine with compromising by removing the reference to the 2006 film and leaving the other one in. However, I don't want to make that the end of the discussion. I think that my changes are more in accord with WIkipedia policy and guidelines, so I think that it would be more appropriate to at the very least allow other editors to weigh in before deciding that the matter is closed. If anything, it seems to me that you recognize the problems with the section but still don't want to see it removed or reduced. I understand where that's coming from, but that doesn't mean that it's the right move to make. Croctotheface 15:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, let's keep this open and canvass some more opinions. I'm sorry the revert seemed rude. I was of course reverting a deletion, though, which could in itself seem... oh, you know. And that's because I think we get much more out of things being discussed on talk pages - as we're now finding, I hope :-) – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 15:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I removed this section from Trivia

I'm not sure why "other actors" are relevant to the James Bond article. Perhaps this would belong in an article on the film franchise or something similar. Removed text:

[edit] Other actors

Joe Don Baker played Brad Whitaker, the villain in The Living Daylights. Baker shows up in later James Bond films, portraying Jack Wade, one of the spy's allies in both Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies.
Like Joe Don Baker, Charles Gray, has appeared in a Bond film as both a villain and a Bond ally. Gray portrayed Bond's contact Dikko Henderson in You Only Live Twice and four years later he played Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
Walter Gotell appeared as henchman Morzeny in From Russia with Love and later as competitor, and arguably collaborator, General Gogol in The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, A View to a Kill and The Living Daylights.
Desmond Llewelyn holds a record for having appeared in the greatest number of Bond films, having appeared in 17 of the films as Q, a.k.a. Major Boothroyd, and head of Q branch.
Actress Eunice Gayson played Bond Girl Sylvia Trench in Dr. No, and returned briefly in From Russia with Love, making her the only Bond girl to appear as the same character in more than one film.
Maud Adams plays Scaramanga's (and then Bond's) love interest Andrea Anders in The Man with the Golden Gun and then returned to play the title role in Octopussy, making her the third actress to appear twice as a "Bond woman", and the second to play more than one "Bond woman". She also appears as an uncredited extra during a scene in A View To A Kill where Bond and a secret service contact meet at the San Francisco harbour.

[edit] Comment

I think that part is a darn sight more useful than some of the stuff here, but agree it is better on the film franchise page. I'll try to find somewhere to put it there. -- Beardo 21:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All things Bond in Wikipedia

Adding a link, in "See Also", to "Category:James Bond" page, titling the link, "All things Bond in Wikipedia". The category page is a rich resource for those wanting to explore more on James Bond. Without this link most users would never on their own stumble onto this page. This link also highlights the Category feature built into Wikipedia—helpful for newcomers. WikiLen 03:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories are placed at the bottom of pages as categories. Cbrown1023 03:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Plus, your reversion in big letters that I should "SEE" the discussion was a little rude considering I reverted 37 minutes before you posted the above. Cbrown1023 03:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

"SEE" in caps was rude, my mistake with apologies. Did all-caps for a different reason. WikiLen 18:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It is fine, sorry about my saying it is rude, but that's what happens on talk page and in edit summaries... people can't hear your tone, so they do not know in what way you mean it. This was slightly a learning thing... (WP:CIVIL and WP:TALK for more information, note that this is not saying you are not civil, you are, it is just giving you a link to interesting policies) Cbrown1023 00:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Another thing, "See also" sections are frowned upon, like trivia sections. Cbrown1023 03:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

CBrown, you have far more experience than I on Wikipedia and I defer to your experience. Seeing my intent, if you want to undo or improve my "All things Bond in Wikipedia" link you will be doing so without my objection. Would you please steer me to a page that will help me understand your statement, "Categories are placed at the bottom of pages as categories". Anything about "See also" sections would also be appreciated — Thanks! WikiLen 18:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:CAT. About the "see also" sections, I think they're kinda ugly and unorganized and another user (more experienced than me) told me that they are frowned upon. Cbrown1023 00:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Figured out the Categories stuff—mostly. I see "James Bond" is already listed in the Category section at the bottom of the page, but mixed in with items only there to server editors — seems like a weak location for such an interesting page as "Category:James Bond". WikiLen 18:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It is because when you place a category link at the bottom of a page (without the ":" (colon) in the link), it places the article in the category. This allows "categorization" of the pages and quick access at one page. This is common practice for all pages. I do agree that it is a big help... but that is the reason it exists and why the navigation boxes (blue boxes with the show/hide buttons) are there. Cbrown1023 00:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Please also note my other responses scattered through this section. Cbrown1023 00:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... WikiLen 01:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Job role

I thought Bond was classed more as an assassin than a agent?Halbared 14:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The non-Eon Bonds section

This section has grown. I really don't think the photos of Moore 1964 or Cazenove (and probably not Holness) belong on this main page. I wonder whether this section should be spun off into another page, or if there is another way of dealing with it ? -- Beardo 21:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

One can make a case against the Holness picture on the grounds that it's non even a contemporary generic publicity shot of him, let alone one connected with the radio production, although presumably it serves the purpose of showing what he looked like around the time. Obviously Cazenove only did a few selected scenes from the novels, but these were within the context of a serious arts documentary, rather than a spoof or parody. As far as I know, these scenes were properly licensed/acknowledged by Eon, and so are technically not "unofficial" in the way SSNA or the first two versions of Casino Royale are. Moore '64 I can't comment on, because I've not seen it, although Millicent Martin's programme was variety/light entertainment, so I presume it's not very serious in tone. Nick Cooper 10:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Bond actors

The years that say when the actors were Bond, are they the official numbers or just first movie to last movie? They should be the official ones, but they most likely aren't, as Dalton was officialy Bond until 1994, even if he didn't do any movies. Someone please clarify this.

[edit] Bond 22

Someone has changed Bond 22 to Risico But that redirect to For your eyes only. Has the name of Bond 22 been confirmed ? -- Beardo 04:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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