Talk:Jake Roberts
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'...and his signature DDT finishing maneuver, which he invented.' Is this factual? I did not believe Jake was the first to use the DDT, nor to call it the DDT. 22/12/05 - shockeroo
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[edit] Name of the snakes
"each was invariably called Damien"... I distinctly remember at least one of them being called Lucifer. Anyone else care to back me up on this? Anthony Hit me up... 02:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Jake had at least three snakes during his WWF tenure:
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- Damien (during his initial heel run and face run)
- Lucifer (after he turned heel again in 1991)
- He used a cobra to attack Randy Savage, which set up Savage's return from retirement (though this might have been Lucifer)
- Revelations (during his 1996 run where he played up the "born-again" gimmick
- - Chadbryant 02:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't recall the cobra ever having a name though. I remember this event; it created an uproar at the time from animal rights activists for the incident (the snake had been defanged, obviously). But I don't remember it having a name. --Eat At Joes 03:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- The snake had not been defanged, but had been devenomed. The original plan was for Savage to be bitten a second time, but because it took so long to get the snake off Savage the first time, Randy decided not to go ahead with the second bite. Vince also came down when it became apparent that Jake was having trouble removing the snake from Savage's arm. Jake himself told this to an assembly of talent during a break in a British Championship Wrestling training session. Draven Cage 16:38, 2nd September 2006
[edit] true?
Former WWF wrestler Jake the Snake is the result of father/daughter incest. Whether his mental problems and subsequent crack addiction in later life can be attributed to that, I guess we'll never know
Or so he claimed in the documentary I saw him in. Is it the kind of thing you'd tell a child?
No, Jake is NOT the result of father/daughter incest. His biological father, Grizzly Smith, raped the 13-year old daughter of the woman he was dating at the time (Jake's Grandmother), resulting in the conception of Jake. This is according to Roberts himself on both the Beyond the Mat DVD and his own documentary.
--RaiderTarheel 21:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was move. Haukur 16:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
Jake "The Snake" Roberts → Jake Roberts … Rationale: Conform to article naming conventions for people - no quotes or nicknames, Jake Roberts is already a redirect to this article. … --Jtalledo (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
- Support as per nom. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Support' TJ Spyke 04:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. See below. Duja 09:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom.--Aldux 20:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Support especially if Jake Roberts redirects here anyway. The nickname should only be included if there is more than one person of that name, which there is apparently not. --JFred 06:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
This page should really be moved to "Jake Roberts" as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) - according to one of the guidelines:
- don't add qualifiers (such as "King", "Saint", "Dr.", "(person)", "(ship)"), except when this is the simplest and most NPOV way to deal with disambiguation;
"The Snake" seems to fall under the category of qualifiers. Right now, Jake Roberts is a redirect to this article anyway. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- This is not a qualifier. It is a stage name. On the same WP page, below, you will find another guideline, and a fellow wrestler:
- The most used name to refer to a person is generally the one that Wikipedia will choose as page name, even if this sounds awkward...
- ...BG James, the most usual of the many stage names of the wrestler Brian (Gerard) James.
- I don't know anything about the particular Jake, but it seems likely that "The Snake" is almost an integral part of his name, and the name he's best known under, so I'm voting here from the principle. See e.g. Vladimir Petrović "Pižon" and the move history of the article. Duja 09:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not entirely sure how you can judge it since by your own admission, you don't know anything about him. "The Snake" part is not an integral part of his name - it's a nickname. He has been and can be referred to as "Jake Roberts" or "The Snake" or a combination of both. The only stage name the infobox refers to is "Jake Roberts." The article on Bret "Hitman" Hart, another professional wrestler is at Bret Hart not "Bret "Hitman" Hart". --Jtalledo (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- By "integral part" I mean "the way he is mostly referred to in public". I don't think either that his wife calls him "the Snake", or that it's written on his driver's license, but it's irrelevant. this Google search shows that he's always referred to as "Jake 'the Snake' Roberts". Which gets us back to WP naming guidelines I cited above—we also don't have Louise Veronica Ciccone but Madonna (entertainer) for example. Duja 11:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you look at most professional wrestlers, they are under their real names. Even someone like Mark Calaway, who has used the "Undertaker" name for many years is still at his real name, even though everyone calls him "The Undertaker." The same goes for just about any other professional wrestler. So the argument about Madonna and Google is rendered null. "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan is at Jim Duggan. Jake Roberts should follow the first name, last name convention. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- If that's the common convention developed by WP:PW, then OK, but I maintain that it contradicts other common conventions. In a similar manner, WP:HOCKEY recently tried to "game the system" (to a more severe extent) by insisting of anglicizations of names of foreign NHL players. The result, as expected, was a clash with e.g. Czech editors and a mess of names in e.g. Category:Czech ice hockey players. Duja 09:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you look at most professional wrestlers, they are under their real names. Even someone like Mark Calaway, who has used the "Undertaker" name for many years is still at his real name, even though everyone calls him "The Undertaker." The same goes for just about any other professional wrestler. So the argument about Madonna and Google is rendered null. "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan is at Jim Duggan. Jake Roberts should follow the first name, last name convention. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- By "integral part" I mean "the way he is mostly referred to in public". I don't think either that his wife calls him "the Snake", or that it's written on his driver's license, but it's irrelevant. this Google search shows that he's always referred to as "Jake 'the Snake' Roberts". Which gets us back to WP naming guidelines I cited above—we also don't have Louise Veronica Ciccone but Madonna (entertainer) for example. Duja 11:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not entirely sure how you can judge it since by your own admission, you don't know anything about him. "The Snake" part is not an integral part of his name - it's a nickname. He has been and can be referred to as "Jake Roberts" or "The Snake" or a combination of both. The only stage name the infobox refers to is "Jake Roberts." The article on Bret "Hitman" Hart, another professional wrestler is at Bret Hart not "Bret "Hitman" Hart". --Jtalledo (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] Quotes
Should we put the quotes on Wikiquote instead of listing them here, and then just link to there? Hybrid 02:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
