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Contents 1 M P 2 Some help 3 Bog! 4 Maldini 5 Evo 6 Na wiki 7 You 8 Hear 9 Re: 10 Hello 11 Reply 12 RE: Stop silly edit war 13 Luppis 14 Your comment 15 Pozdrav 16 RE: Respect 17 ? 18 Reply 18.1 Never make claims? 19 CWofI 20 Re: Mir 21 Apollo 22 Pozdrav 23 S 24 Aster 25 Reverting 26 :) 27 user page 28 B B 28.1 T 29 mara 30 A gift for you 31 Re: 32 My response 33 zvezda 34 Evo ti odgovor 35 Hey, S! 36 Odgovor 2 37 PP 38 Moja jagoda 39 Cannot reply... 40 Odgovor 41 Let me ask you 42 Zasto... 43 Hmmmmmm 44 Pozdrav od jednog Ozi-Crnogorca 45 Re: Otis'o 46 Fallen Off the Cliff 47 Glupo pitanje 47.1 Factanista 48 hello 49 007 50 Re:Emblem 51 CG Wiki 52 Re Hi

[edit] M P

A koja slučajnost jer ja se baš nalazim gradu Korčuli. Pa nema čvrstih dokaza da je on sa Korčule a ako i je ne znači da je Hrvat. Kako to da si se obratila meni:-)? Luka Jačov 08:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Eh, kud si na ovega tipa išla? Koji govori da ne postoje Moliški Hrvati. Kubura 08:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some help

Zdravo mi bila, Jage.
Don't leave your userpage with nothing.
Otherwise, your "signatures" in discussions will remain "in red". "In red" are mostly userpages of vandals, sockpuppets of various internet trolls. Contributions of these users have no value in discussions with other users.
DON'T put your personal data there. Just some info.
I'll put you few changes on your userpage. [1] If you don't like these changes, remove them. That info is a good example. Some info, but no personal data. Stoj mi dobro Kubura 09:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bog!

Nije mi jasno sto je falilo tvom poslijednjem nick-u, doduse... --HRE 16:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maldini

Yes Mario Andretti was born in Istria, and he has moved to U.S., after the war. But I don't know about Maldini's parents. I don't think they were Istrian. Just look here[2], insert "Maladini" under "Cognome". --Giovanni Giove 08:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evo

Bog , evo Hrvata, i borim se za pravdu, ali i ja isto mislim sto i ti, ima toliko, Srba kao i Panonian koji motaju laz, na Wiki-u.

And im from sYDNEY aUSTRALIA, AND WASborn here. However i do consider Croatia my only home land. Just take a look at the Croatian War of Indipendance, and the discussion page and ull see even more wat i mean.

Ima Hrvata na Wiki-u samo ih treba nac, i zvat, da i oni kontraju nepravdu!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vidimo se

THE MILJAKINATOR 08:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Na wiki

Ne brini za njihovu propagandu, ovo sta ti primjecujes su samo mrvice prema onome sto je prije bilo. Izgubili su rat na terenu, a gube ga i ovdje. Zato i gube zivce i krse pravila 10x cesce nego nasi. Ali uzalud im sve, kad im se suprotstavis argumentima. Mirno spavaj :) -- Ante

E Ante, samo je činjenica da su hrvatski (a pogotovo bošnjački) korisnici ovde mnogo više opterećeni ratom nego srpski, i da imaju potrebu da svima ispričaju kako su odbranili svoju "hiljadugodišnju domovinu" od "srpskog agresora". Da nije žalosno bilo bi smešno. PANONIAN (talk) 00:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

A što se tiče "argumenata", korišćenje sockpuppeta i zloupotreba administratorskih prava su stvarno jako uverljivi argumenti. PANONIAN (talk) 00:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Jagoda, here are the words that have been said in the English House of Commons in 1992 [3] where it has been said: "A third, Serbia, has rightly been refused recognition because of its naked aggression against others...". Maybe Croats are thinking things up? Yes, Panonian, Serbia was an aggressor. Live with the fact that Serbia screwed up. Live with that guilt. You can tell as much lies as you want, but the truth will always come on the surface. You can't fool the wikipedians whole the time. Kubura 21:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi there Jagoda. Just wanted to add a comment, and cite something from the same British parliament page, cited by Kubura:

As a result of unilateral action by Germany that the remaining countries of the EEC loyally and predictably followed, two of the emerging republics-- Slovenia and Croatia--were duly recognised. A third, Serbia, has rightly been refused recognition because of its naked aggression against others

Have you heard of "Thank you, Deautschland!"? Serbs are surely not thinking things up there.

And as for the "naked" aggression, perhaps you should go through some Hague transcripts - only those relevant to the "Aggression", 'cause it's good to hear different points of view, Jagoda. I'm doing that by reading what Kubura has written. He believes in the "Greater Serbia" conspiracy. I, on the other hand, believe Serbia never screwed up the way he suggested, Jagoda. No "guilt", therefore, to live with. But I do agree with Kubura on one thing: "the truth will always come on the surface".

I totally agree with him there. And for that, I do wish you and Kubura - moj ne-istomišljenik! - all the best.

Alan. --84.64.92.66 18:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You

...why do you do that? I'm not even going to accuse you - I'm just going to ask you why? --HolyRomanEmperor 17:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hear

Please, tell me one non-biased non-Croatian source claiming Marco Polo of Croatian origin? You say that there are so many - please, present them to me. I don't call Tesla Serbo-Croatian - I call every Serbo-Croat like that (AFAIC, Croatian or Serbian would be more according to his geopolitical ideology better). Ivo Andric was an ethnic Croat. He was also a Serbian patriot, a Serb nationalist, a Serbian politician and a Serbian writer. What's wrong with that?

What I meant is why didn't you respond to my long-ago posts about my place of origin - Montenegro. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Well, I remember you noting that it is Croats who settled Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Bay of Kotor. Could you offer some sources why you claim that? HolyRomanEmperor 15:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Do you oppose the change Croatian War of Independance to Croatian War Of Secession. If so please come to the Croatian War Of Independance talk page and place ur opinion.

THE MILJAKINATOR 03:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Thanks for the welcome. Actually, I believe that Nikolic is the most popular Serb name, but I'm sure Jovanovic is near the top somewhere. Also, I think that Ivankovic is a Croat name, while Ivanovic is Serbian. But, if someone is called Ivan, it can be Serb or Croat, so there is no specific ethnicity connected to it. I'm not that familiar with origins of last names, so I wouldn't speculate about the origins of Markovic and Petkovic. Once again, thanks for the welcome. --Svetislav Jovanović 02:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Stop silly edit war

Jagoda,

I'm glad that you contacted me about the matter.

"The Balkan war was a joke...the politicans turned brother against brother.."

The war was no joke. If you need proof, ask my good friends who lost fathers on the battlefront. The politicians did turn brother against brother, I have to agree on that with you.

"keep Serb POV out of Srebernica ...we all know what went on..no point hiding that."

Of course we know. Of course 8,000 Bosniaks were killed by Serb forces led by Ratko Mladic. But was it genocide? Was it? It's not NPOV to say it was. Facts are facts, bias is bias.

"Everyone has independence now ...we all got what we wanted"

Well, not everyone.. yet. Kosovo and Republika Srpska are left. Both want independence, no compromise. The war is still on, but this one is more silent.

Jagoda, you seem like an intelligent and rational person, and wouldn't like to get into an argument with you because you seem more superior on the field of dialogue. You have to understand that I am a passionate guy, and sometimes my heart is quicker than my brain. So, if I ever say something blunt or stupid, please try to ignore it and accept me as I am. Respect,

--Serb ^talk 05:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) User: Bormalagurski

[edit] Luppis

I write some edits on the article about Luppis. I remember you that only in Croatia is remembered as "Croat", that I've not spent time writin about "nationality". Anyway Luppis was ethnical Italian. I remember that the real name is "Giovanni Luppis" and "Ivan Lupis" is only a translation. All my edits are taken from the quoted references. --Giovanni Giove 08:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment

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Im afraid some wounds cut a bit to deep

THE MILJAKINATOR 10:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pozdrav

Sure, I have noticed this bias, but in the sake of fairness, it must be said that there are also some who relentlessly push the anti-serb bias. I guess it's not so surprising that a decade and a half of government propaganda from both sides has spilled over onto wikipedia. I try to be careful not to push any POV, but I do make a priority of undoing slander and lies directed at Croatia and the Croats. Anyway, thanks for the greeting! Mihovil 16:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Respect

I like the way you think. However, I'd like to point out that it is not true that Croats are only messing with the Nikola Tesla article. Besides that article, some Croats (like Ante Perkovic etc.) have been helping the Bosniaks with articles like Republika Srpska, while some are even helping Albanians in Kosovo-related articles. There is a huge amount of distrust between Serbs and Croats here on Wikipedia. The funny thing is that I'm half Serb, half Croat, although I consider myself Serb; you see, I came to Wikipedia with a fairly good will to be neutral and not offend either side. But that all changed when I joined Croatian Wikipedia - I was basically chased away when I proposed to change the Tesla article in the sense that it is written that he is a Serb. This is what ticked me off to turn against them.

I also know some Serbs who told me that they were chased off a beach in Split this summer by a gang of anti-Serb Croats. I remember when I was in Dubrovnik, our car was graffitied with the words "Chetniks" all over it, just because the licence plate was from Serbia.

Tesla... yes, it would be stupid to say that he wasn't a Serb, but he was neither born in Croatia. He was born in the Austrian Empire, in the Military Frontier, what is now known as Croatia. Think of it this way, if Illinois becomes Canada one day, was Ronald Reagan born in Canada?

I have to agree about Tito, it's his fault that there is a problem in Kosovo, but it's basically his fault that war in Yugoslavia even broke out. By not leaving a strong successor, he destroyed the only factor that was keeping the South Slavic people together. Tito was selfish, he wanted Yugoslavia to break up after he dies, so that people will say "Oh, I remember the good times, when Tito was president... Good times"; which is exactly what most people are saying today :)

If you're interested, I'd like to discuss these topics some more with you. If you have MSN, add me: bormalagurski@hotmail.com

--Serb ^talk 03:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC) User Bormalagurski

I am not the leader of Serbs on Wikipedia (even though some people call me that). Despite the fact that many people gladly help out with anything I ask them, I cannot control them. Besides, I would rather talk to you about this over MSN. --Serb ^talk 17:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

Well, were Croats ever in majority in Bosnia and in the Bay of Kotor? Nope... That was my point. So how can they be that which you claim? And PANONIAN is a Serb, yes. :D --HolyRomanEmperor 08:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Pogledaj ove godine: 814 i vidi "Servia"; 998 i vidi "Serbs"; 1000 i vidi "Servia"; http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_map_1092.PNG 1092] i vidi "Principality of Serbia; 1097 i vidi "K. of Servia"; 1142 i vidi "Servia"; 1190 i vidi "Servia"; 1328 i vidi "Serbia"; at 15th century you can see Servia - but you know that already; at 1430 1470 you can view as well...

Saznat ces vise o povijesti ovih prostora... Javi kad vidis. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I believe that you refer to Vuk Karadzic - I have no idea what you meant by that. I respect him as a linguist and a collector of wise old sayings, poems and stories - and nothing else.

Serbs mixed with the Dalmatians in the same manner as Croats. For instnace, the population of southerns dalmatia (and Boka) is almost entirely from (mid-to-eastern) Herzegovina. For example, the wholesome population of the City of Ragusa during its Republican time (Medieval Ages) originates from Serbia and Bosnia. The Kosovo debate is silly and needless - ofcourse Serbs where there first, before the Albanians. A good comparation of Albanians' claims is the Serbs' claims of their indiginousness in Krajina (in Croatia). Such nonsence should be abandoned.

[edit] Never make claims?

Croats never make claims? Are you kidding? The Croats claim the whole of Bosnia and Herzegovina (and it appears, you among them), the whole of Montenegro (the ultra-nationalistic propagandist theory of Red Croatia) and even Sandzak (the Serbian part). The Red Croat theory makes them draw claims as deep as the northern half of Albania to Drac! Skim around the internet and you'll find research that claim that Macedonia is a Croat land (and thereby neighbouring territories in Kosovo, Bulgaria and Serbia. Ante Starcevic is the initiator of the typical claim that Slovenes are Alpine Croats. How can you claim such a thing after that? Then, do you remember the claim that the second Serbian dynasty, the House of Vojislavljevic is a Croat dynasty? Don't Ante Starcevic, the current Croatian Party of Rights and many Croat historians claim that the Nemanjics are thus Croats? Thus, the Medieval Serbian state they call Croatian ("Croatian Empire of Stjepan Dusan"); are you saying Ante's sentence that Croatia should reach its eastern historical border of Attica (Capital of Greece!). Pardon me, but these claims exceed any wild dreams that the Serbs have had.

This is only the plan during the 1990s war. It does not show the wholesome territorial claim over Montenegro, nor over parts of Kosovo, Macedonia or northern Albania (nor Slovenia). However, this reminded me to point out the most gruesome of all Croat theories - that Serbs draw origin from the Croats themselves (a. k. a. that they're Orthodox Croats). This draws origin from the theory of a previously united Slavic state (that the Croat historians claim that it's a "Croat state"). You indeed have much to learn. Both Croats and Serbs can propagate nationalist rhetheric. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

HRM, there was no such plan and you know it. The evidence in the ICTY shows that at worst, Tudjman was interested in the borders of the Banovina of Croatia, and Susak was only interested in Western Herzegovina.

And the theory you are talking about is not gruesome - it based on a notion of nationality and religion based on citizenship rather than ethnicity. Nothing radical about such a notion.

If I can generalise your point, any national group can propagate nationalist rhetoric - however the "Greater Serb nationalist" (as opposed to Serb nationalist) has developed a worldwide reputation for it.

Now pls stop badgering this poor girl. croatian_quoll 15:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe that "Serbs claim" you mean "Serbia claims". Then, what is wrong with the claims on Vojvodina and Kosovo - that are a part of Serbia? Should we ridicule Croatia's claim on Krajina... or Bosnia's claim on Republic Srbska? Ofcourse not.

Why is that Croats outnumber Serbs in the west 100,000 to 1.? No idea what you mean by this. Could you elaborate? --HolyRomanEmperor 15:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CWofI

Welocme to wiki. I'm an Australian Croatian as well, but from Sydney, presently residing in Japan - konnichi wa (今日は）！

I see the Serb Wikipedians giving you some attention - wow, I feel so unloved! lol

Have removed reference I made to a vote as I have been advised it is bad wiki-etiquette. Apologies for any confusion. croatian_quoll 23:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: the evidence of Croats settling Boka Kotorska is in description of Crvena Hrvatska in Ljetipis Pop Dukljanin which contradicts the claim that the states covering the area where Serb lands in DAI.

The Croats settled most of modern day Bosnia - note Bosnia west of the Vrbas river was known throughout history as Turkish Croatia until the time of Vlach sttlements in the 16th/17th centuries when the current term of Bosanska Krajina was adopted. There was a semi-autonomous area called Bosnia centred on the Bosnia river in the North East of modern day BiH which changed hands b/w Croatian and Serbian rulers. But most of the time it was either part of Hungary-Croatia or independent. Some Serb wikipedians would have you believe that medieval Serbia extended to the Una river in modern day Croatia and utilise some unresolved work by Croatian historian, Nada Klaic to justify it. I

So, yes you are justified in yor claims.

PPS: The massacre of Muslims at Srebrenica is infamous precisely because it is the first case ruled as genocide by an international court (ICTY). So yes, calling it a genocide is accurate.

Who's to say that the maps were correct and not a part of Serbian propaganda? :D heh, well, you remind me of the Vojislav Seselj paranoia, who claims the Catholic Church and Germany're fault for the Yugoslav 1990s. :D Be realistic. By the 6th-7th (and thus the Serbs and Croats), Illyrians were largely extinct. Additionally, you must prove a source why you claim such a thing. Please read WP:CITE. You cannot come, barge, and state that Bosnia and Boka were Croat lands. Imagine me comming to you and claiming that Spain is traditionally a Hungarian land and that the Spaniards migrated later to Spain and that the Catholic Spaniards are actually Catholic Hungarians. Do you understand? --HolyRomanEmperor 15:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Pls, pls, enough with the flattery. Ahhh Vojislav Seselj - quite the wordsmith you know, as you can see here [[4]] rofl croatian_quoll 15:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There are about 10,000 Serbs in Vancouver, alltogether 50,000 in Canada. There are less than 15,000 Croats in Canada. Chicago is the second larges Serb city in the world, after Belgrade. While Croats might be more spread out (I guess they don't like their homeland that much, so they just leave it), they are less than half the number of Serbs in the world. Come to Canada and ask someone if they have Serbian friends - 70% of them will say YES. --Serb ^talk 23:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are trying to say, but I'm afraid I disagree. Scientist studies and countless censuses around the world confirm that there are about 10-11 million Serbs in the world, and about 4-5 million Croats. This is NOT counting Yugoslavs or Bosniaks (even though some people to consider them to be either Serb or Croat of muslim faith). Its that simple, and you can't prove it wrong.

Now, if you go to many Croat clubs around the world, I'm sure you'll meet a lot of Croats, no doubt about it. And if you meet other non-Croats in those clubs, I'm sure they'll tell you that they know a lot of Croats. And if you only hang out with Croats, no other nation exists for you, right? (hypothetically speaking). If you look at some of the major European countries:

• Germany: 250,000 Serbs, 230,000 Croats
• Austria: 177,320 Serbs, 131,307 Croats
• United Kingdom: 70,000 Serbs, 3,000 Croats

I think it's pretty clear that the people of, for example, England will assume that if someone's last name ends with -ic, he or she is Serbian. Your theory is flawed, and is simply scientifically wrong - there are more Serbs than Croats, it has always been that way, and we have yet to see what the future holds for us. Now, I am asking you one more time, would you like to continue this conversation on MSN or e-mail, because I don't like to discuss non-Wikipedia related topics on Wikipedia. Thank you, --Serb ^talk 01:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No worries - I saw you getting a fair bit of attention and thought I'ld give you some support. HRM is right though in that any claim needs to be backed up by citing sources. Have a read of the Wiki guidelines as to what is allowed and what isn't.

But even citing sources can be abused sometimes with some sources cited being self-referential or from rather nationalistic historians. Examples include the claim of Greater Croatia above and Srbija to the Una, and that Rudjer Boskovich was a Serb. Also, I often find that one historical fact may have an extended interpretation to include some bizzare conspiracy theories and often this is the source of much conflict. I agree with your impression that there is a Serb POV in alot of articles in Wiki. But it is important that we stick to the rules, refrain from personal attacks and respect the opinions of Serbian Wikipedians even if we disagree with them - rules that I try to live to although not always succesfully.

Anyways, happy wikipediaing!

Bog, croatian_quoll 03:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

PS - something you no doubt are already aware but I'll reiterate anyway, be careful who you give your personal details to - alot of strange individuals, not mention the intelligence community, on the web.

[edit] Re: Mir

Well, there are more Serbs than Croats in each & every country that you mentioned. :) But why did you evade the subject that we had? Didn't you read what I wrote under Reply? --HolyRomanEmperor 17:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apollo

First of all, I am definitely not Serbian! I am a Serb-sympathizer, however, I am not one of them. I’m an Italian-American!

You Croats think that the only people who despise you are Serbs. Well, you guys are totally wrong.

At first I thought that the Serbs were the aggressors in the Balkans. Boy, was I ever wrong. After doing some research I learned that you guys are Nazis who mercilessly killed Serbs living in Croatia during the Second World War. How the hell can you people live with yourselves? How the !@#$ can you wave that flag that does not appear to be much more different than the one in WW@? SHAME ON YOUS!!!!!!!!!!

ALSO, YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT MARCO POLO WAS A GINO AND WHAT WAS THE !@#$ING POINT OF EVEN MENTIONING HAYDN?

JEEZ, GET A LIFE!!!

Apollo Creed 04:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pozdrav

Možeš pitati User:Dijxtra da ti pomogne. On je administrator iz Hrvatske. PANONIAN (talk) 03:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Pouka: razmisli dvaput prije nego što nešto napišeš—lijepo ti piše "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." :-). Koliko znam, brisanje iz istorije čak ne mogu da rade ni "obični" administratori, nego samo neki sa posebnim privilegijama, a i za to treba posebna procedura, koja se uglavnom primjenjuje kada neko u člancima objavi nešto što nikad nije ni smjelo biti objavljeno zbog pravnih razloga. Ne znam ni zašto to tražiš; koliko sam ja vidio, nisi nikad nikog uvrijedio, a i nisi ostavio pravo ime da bi te neko zbog nečeg ganjao. Pozdrav, Duja 10:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy discourages (read: prohibits) deleting posts from Wikipedia. This should be done only when such posts are offensive, inaccurate, vulgar or published data that wasn't to be published. Date from the history can be deleted only by the Big Dudes onm the Top. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

All correct... I just don't really see why are you telling me this... --HolyRomanEmperor 13:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] S

"Horvat" i "Serb" su imena slavenskih plemena, Hrvati i Srbi govore slavenski jezik -- pa Bugari su manje Slaveni od vas, imajuci u sebe nesto vise turaka (u prvom nasledu, kad ih je bilo puno manje). Mrziti naziv "slaven", sto se mene tice, je mrzjeti Poljake i Ruse naprosto po proslijedenju, by extension, jer ne vidim nikakvog drugog razloga za takve izgovore...

John Malkovich je katolik, sto znaci da je Hrvat. --VKokielov 04:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nisam Hrvat -- ali hvala za kompliment.  :) Ovog puta ja branim svoje.  ;) --VKokielov 23:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Da bismo mogli nastavljati ovaj razgovor, savjetujem koristiti e-mail. Moj "e-mail user" radi, mozes ga kliknuti. --VKokielov 23:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Iz starog Sovjetskog Saveza, izvorno. --VKokielov 02:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Nije tako tesko nauciti vas jezik.  :) --VKokielov 02:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Gruzija. --VKokielov 02:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Zasto se redovno misli da u Gruziji su zivjeli samo Gruzini?  :) --VKokielov 02:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Imam i rusku stranu obitelji.

A je li ima Rusa u Australiji? Ruskih Zidova? --VKokielov 05:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aster

Hi Jagoda, Sorry. The only place in the Croatian coast I have visited is Split. I intend to visit Istria next spring (i.e. flying to Pula). Thanks for dropping by. Regards, Asterion^talk 07:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have no personal opinion on this, to be honest. Reading my Lonely Planet Guide to Croatia, there is a citation of a book titled Venetian Adventurer: Marco Polo, by Henry H. Hart. It suggests that Marco Polo's family came from Šibenik. Under this theory Polo's original name was Pile, then italianised to its equivalent Polo (early Italian for Pollo). Then you obviously have the Korčula claims too. Hope this helps. Regards, Asterion^talk 23:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting

Just saw your question to Dijxtra... Actually, it takes just 4 clicks to "revert" any page to any previous revision—see Help:Reverting (but also take a look at WP:3RR).

Sorry, I removed your addition to Timoc Vlachs. Even if Tesla had a Vlach origin, he certainly wasn't of Timok branch. See Vlachs for an overview of their branches and migrations. Regards, Duja 07:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  :)

Cuj, ako ne lazes, i si stvarno naucio hrvatski - pocevsi od engleskog -- onda moj doseg nije nikakav doseg. Ima i cudnijih stvari na svijetu. Ja imam vrlo ostro uho - to da; mogu prisvojiti tudi manir govora; osim toga, pamcenje mi nije bas tako lose. Ali tu stvarno nema podataka, jer ljudi koji uce druge slavenske jezike za zabavu su malobrojni. Od tih sto ima na Internetu, znam da su (barem Rusi) naucili, na primjer, srpski, s munjosnom brzinom. Slicnosti strukture nisu zanemarljive. --VKokielov 23:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] user page

What do you think of combining all your userboxes? Here is code (edit this post) if you would like to update your userpage, I think it's much cleaner to group them together, your call though :) // Laughing Man 06:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

en This user is a native speaker of English. hr-2 Ovaj suradnik osrednje govori hrvatski jezik. sh-2 Корисник средње говори српскохрватски. Korisnik osrednje govori hrvatskosrpski. This user is of slavic ancestry. This user comes from Australia.

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Ne znam stvarno gde se može naći slika Boška Buhe. Inače, Buha nije vlaško ili romsko prezime, već srpsko. Nadam se da znaš šta znači reč buva/buha? :)) PANONIAN (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Pa nije problem naći na Internetu sliku Boška Buhe. Problem je da li se ta slika može koristiti na Vikipediji, jer slike koje se nađu na internetu uglavnom nisu slobodne za korišćenje. Ne znam gde bi se mogla naći ta slika a da je slobodna za upotrebu na Vikipediji. Što se tiče srpskih prezimena, iako se najveći deo prezimena kod Srba završava na -ić, ima i velik broj prezimena koja se ne završavaju na -ić. Ni moje prezime se ne završava na -ić ako te baš zanima. :) I buva nije fly. Fly je muva/muha, a buva/buha je ono zbog čega se pas stalno češe. :))) Mislim da se buva kaže flea na engleskom. PANONIAN (talk) 01:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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Was one world-class smart but weird guy. Stubblefield was another. Check the Nathan Stubblefield article and Talk page, where muc of the article was hidden. Maybe Stubblefield was Croat. Who can say??Regards. Edison 05:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Izvini, nisam stigao ranije da ti odgovorim. Pa potpuno je pogrešno mišljenje da su slovenska prezimena samo na -ić, jer ima mnogo slovenskih prezimena koja nisu na -ić. U stvari, slovenskih prezimena na -ić imaš samo u bivšoj Jugoslaviji i Belorusiji (u Belorusiji je -ič), a u drugim slovenskim zemljama takva prezimena baš nisu tako česta. Što se tiče Tesle, ne znam baš puno o njegovim izumima, pa ti tu ne mogu pomoći. PANONIAN (talk) 03:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mara

Bok, Jagoda! sadly, we cannot include the Polo link to Maradona if we don't have a respectable source about it. I really have no idea about statistics of Slavic ancestries in Argentina (just for Slovenia), but they are sure a lot. You are right about those last names, they were Spanishied upon arrival to Argentina, or simply deformed (mine was too). There are, nevertheless, also many that have the Croatian side from their mothers, so they lost the Croatian surname. I don't know how important it is to state that Maradona had a croatian greate-greate-grand father, but I guess it is not harmful. Do viđenja. Other well known sportspeople of slavic origin are Marcos Milinkovic and Alejandro Spajic. Mariano(t/c) 06:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A gift for you

Pogledaj svoju korisnicku stranicu - napravio sam taj template za Vas.

P. S. Pa Tito je bio i Slovenac i Hrvat (po narodnosti), i Jugosloven (po nacionalnosti). --PaxEquilibrium 10:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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Ja sam dizajnirao posebni template "[Template:User slav]" koji sada svaki korisnik ponaosob moze da koristi.

Ne znam pricati Makedonski (mozda malo, ali ne bez gresaka), ali s obzirom na to da on lici na pojednostavljeni srpski jezik, tu nema problema. Razgovaram sa Makedoncima stalno, i uvijek govorim na Srpskohrvatskom a oni sve razumiju, dok oni pricaju na Makedonskome, a ja sve razumijem (citaj: sve). Slovenski je vec pomalo komplikacija... mislim da cu ga ukloniti sa liste.

Da, Vadim Kokielov je poznata faca Wikipedije. ;) No ja nijesam znao da je on iz Gruzije - on rece da je iz Rusije.

Zao mi je, ne znadem nista o Tesli i radiju. --PaxEquilibrium 18:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My response

Thanx but I knew that, I was actually asking about Muhamedmesic on whose talk page HRE left the note. REgards! Luka Jačov 21:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] zvezda

Čuo sam da je Tesla odbio nagradu. Što se tiče zvezde, pogledaj na mojoj strani ove zvezde koje već imam, pa samo iskopiraj jednu od njih i napiši tekst koji želiš i stavi ili na moju stranu ili stranu za razgovor. Hvala unapred za zvezdu. :)) PANONIAN (talk) 01:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Evo, da i ja zahvalim: hvala za zvijezdu :-) --Dijxtra 07:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... nemoj me zvati "Srbinom". 1. Koji su osnovi za to i 2. Koja je svrha uopce?

Ja imam u mojim rukama najvecu, najbolju i najopsirniju knjigu ikada napisanu o Tesli - njegova licna biografija; na hrvatskom, tj srpskom i na engleskom. Mnogo je velika, pa je, na zalost, nikada nijesam procitao - ali u njoj nema nista o Tesli sto se moze naci drugdje. Tu ces naci sve o njemu, i to zacudjujuce, vrlo objektivno. --PaxEquilibrium 10:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Srbijanac... pa, definisi taj pojam. Ako me to sto (djelomicno) zivim u Srbiji cini Srbijancem; onda neka ti bude; ajd'. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 23:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It's just some silly & rather pointless discussion that I have with Kubura - Where did I say Croatia "wanted to rule Serbia"? ;D Nowhere.

Using the definition of the Yugoslav wars that Serbia "attacked" Slovenia, Croatia & Bosnia is far-fetched and cannot really be applied. Actually, if you just put the blame on one warring faction, than it's your problem, not mine, Serbia's or Thailand's :) (that's POV, by the way). We could theoretize now that Serbia shouldn't have attempted centralization and that there wouldn't be a Kosovo war and that it shouldn't have joined in a greater Yugoslav centralist movement to maintain Yugoslavia and there would've been no Yugoslav wars at all. But then again, we could say how Albanian terrorists & rebels shouldn't have rebelled and called for separatism and there would be no trouble on Kosovo. We could also theoritize that Croatia is the sole reason to blame for the Yugoslav wars, just because of the Croatian Spring (MASPOK) which is the first key that rotated the destabilization of Yugoslavia. But then we could blame Slovenia or Croatia for trying to martially secede a greater country and claim that there would be no violence if they obeyed the Laws. Or we could say that there would've been no Civil War in Croatia if the Serbs simply accepted the decision of the Croats... or again backwards that if Croatia didn't bring the nationalist Constitution, there would not have been any sort of war in Croatia whatsoever... Or we could blame the Serb Republic, saying that if it remained in BiH there wouldn't have been a Bosnian War... similiar with the Herzeg-Bosnian Croats... or maybe if Bosnian Muslims (Bosniacs) never attempted to martially secede from Yugoslavia and impose centralism on all of Bosnia-Herzergovina? Or how about to put the sole guilt on Montenegro; which gave the Serb Republic, the Republic of Serbia and the Yugoslav Federal Republic its leadersh, whose movement controlled everything and produced 60% of the ICTY war criminals? Please... the arguement of "blaiming" is a self-rotating wheel that you cannot stop - so don't start it. That's what I say. :)

Macedonia gained independence without problems because it seceded legally & constitutionally.

Rusi su "pustili" Ukrajince i Bjeloruse jer se cijeli Sojvetski Savez raspao, sto je dovelo do sramotnih danasnjih komunistickih granica istocne Evrope, koje su izvan razuma. Bjelorusi i Ukrajinci su iste vjere kao i Rusi, pa nije bilo nikakve verske netrpeljivosti - dok su Hrvati rimokalotici a Srbi istocno-pravoslavno. A kada govorimo o tome kako su Sovjeti "pustili" koga, sjeti se da je bilo skoro rata u batlickim zemljama Estoniji, Litvaniji i Letoniji; koje Sovjeti nisu htjeli "pustiti" olako. Grci nijesi nikada "pustili" Makedoniju. 1912-1913 osvojili su vecinu Makedonije i drze je kao sastavni dio svoje drzave do dan-danas. --PaxEquilibrium 08:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evo ti odgovor

E, moja jagoda. Slusaj ovo je tesko pitanje. Now in English, since I am guessing that your parents or most likely your grandparents immigrated to Australia, I shall write in English. Listen, the answer is complicated. To some extent it is true. However, religion, culture, language, etc. are different. Even physical features can differ. Believe it or not I can distinguish a Serbian from a Bosnian most of the time. There are facial (physical) differences. I mean we have specific genes that identify us from Serbs or Croats, [5]. Next, many converted when the ottomans came and stayed Muslim. It is estimated that between 4-5 million Bosniaks went to Turkey after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Some of them speak in Archaic Bosnian. No one can tell you an exact answer since history is not clear for that part of the world. I mean I am Muslim and totally act like any other European (implying education, clubs, girls, beer) and still am viewed as Muslim. The culture that came with the ottomans did not persist. It morphed during the years. (I do not, however, eat pork). But in the long run most Bosniaks are Muslim since they converted from the Turks, but they are not Serbs or Croats. The medieval Bosnian church existed. Tvrtko was the Catholic king and fought for Bosnia, expanding the Bosnian borders all the way to Zadar on the Croatian coastline. So Bosnians as a nation existed, but religion shifted. I mean, you do not have to be Serbian to be catholic, etc. No, Bosnians, were not Serbian or Croatian, maybe some converted from those parts and came to Bosnia? However, Bosnians, as a nation existed before. Thanks, Vseferović 05:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, S!

The music was based on Jan Henryk Dabrowski's (a Polish heroic General of noble stock) Mazurka from the late 18th century. The text was based on the lines for the song written by a Croatian-Illyrian artist from the first half of the 19th century, Dragutin Rakovac. --PaxEquilibrium 20:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odgovor 2

No, I would not say there are more similarities with Croats then Serbs. I cannot tell you for sure, but I do not see how this would be correct. In this war, as most Bosniaks would say, both the Serbs and the Croats were the "enemies". Most see Croats as backstabbers instead of allies. I mean a good or even great person is Stipe Mesic, however the extremist Croatians (Ustase) would say he is a "fag", "gypsy", etc. since he is such an open minded person. I mean looking at Franjo Tuđman whose only goal was to get more and more land from Bosnia; we see how most Bosnians can see Croatians in a negative perspective. Overall, there will never be an answer whether Bosnians are physically similar to Croatians.

From a Bosnian viewpoint (after the incidents of the Balkan War):

• A Serb will tell you that he hates you

• A Croat will act as your friend and then turn against you for his or her benefit

Vuk Karadzic standardized the Bosnian, Croatian, and Serbian languages. Good man, we now have an easy to read language.

I AM NOT SAYING THESE ARE MY VIEWPOINTS SINCE I AM OPENMINDED (Regarding Croatians)

Thanks, Vseferović 04:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Srba ima 6,200,000-6,225,000 otprilike (najtocnija procjena) u Srbiji. Hrvata u Hrvatskoj ima oko 4,000,000.

About backstabbers... well, if they think about us that way, we can't change it. Let them believe so. Ako tako mislidu o nami, neka in je, ne moremo to prominit.
The interesting thing is that already from the times of epic poetry (Croat, Serb and Montenegrin), Slavic Muslims from Bosnia, Herzegovina and other parts conquered by Ottomans (I avoid the term "Bosnian" and "Bosniak"; Bosnians are also Croats and Serbs, while surname "Bosniak" has highest frequency among Croats, besides existing among Serbs and Slavic Muslims from B&H) were marked as backstabbers, as the ones you can't trust, "ni u moru mire ni u Turčina vire".
And that in recent history, their military "successes" in B&H were achieved by betraying Bosnia-Herzegovina Croat allies (e.g. shooting in the back in the casserne "Tihomir Mišić" in Mostar, if I remember well) and taking their land. Well, this paragraph should its own article.
Vuk Karadžić standardized....? He maybe added some glance (some of those glances are abandoned in Croatian), but Croatian was standardized before Karadžić; you've forgotten Bartol Kašić and Šime Starčević (beside others). Kubura 09:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Srba ima 6,200,000-6,400,000 otprilike (najtocnija procjena sest i pol milijuna) u Srbiji (mada neki kazu sedam milijuna, no to je precjena). Hrvata u Hrvatskoj ima oko 4,000,000. --PaxEquilibrium 22:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Moja jagoda

First, tell me when was the last time (if ever) that you went to BiH or Croatia. You must understand that religion is a huge factor. One cannot simply overlook religion. With religion come different customs and cultures. For example the traditional folk dress and songs differ greatly among Bosnians, Croatians, and Serbians. Our dialiects are different as well, the international society views "our" language as three seperate ones. Slowly we are seperating further and further apart that in about 150 to 200 years we will be totally different nations. Croatia is already, especially after the war, imposing different/old words to further split the similarities. Even physically we see differences, I mean Bosnians, Croatians, and Serbians can easily distinguish each other by our looks. We are not as similar as one might think. The Wikipedia society (of Bosnians, Croatians, and Serbians) has discussed this a long time ago and we have decided to end these talks, since, in the end, they lead nowhere. I understand your viewpoints and I am not saying that I disagree with them, but look at the facts or ask anyone. The large Croatian community in Australia has older viewpoints that just do not work in today's society. Thanks and reply, Vseferović 20:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cannot reply...

Strawberry, if I reply to this than I would be labeled as being prejudice. There are, as with every ethnicity (people), different characteristics. I am neither saying that one is superior nor am I saying that one has physical issues. All that I am trying to point out is that Bosnians, Croatians, and Serbians usually can distinguish one from another. These I would say are stereotypes that often are true. But yes, we do have a lot of common physical features. Thank you, Vseferović 02:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odgovor

Da, Cikago ima mnogo srba i hrvata. Oko 200.000 hrvata i 300.000 srba sa okolinom. Dakle, Cikago i tkz. Cikagoland (predgrade). Ne zaboravi da ima oko 50.000 bosnjaka isto. Ovo godine je bilo 100 godine bosnjaka u Americi. Nemoj brisati razgovore koje smo imali. Jednostavno nije pravilo wikipedije da se brise. Vseferović 21:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let me ask you

Why don't you edit Wikipedia's articles a bit? You spend too much time chatting... --PaxEquilibrium 17:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hmmm... I think I've got 9,000 by now... --PaxEquilibrium 22:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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Not really... A large chunk of my edits are minor/medium contributions to random articles. Not just the Balkans! :) --PaxEquilibrium 17:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zasto...

...si odabrao "Jagoda" za nick? --PaxEquilibrium 01:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmmmmmm

Im not sure about figures, but id sy pre 1995 Croatians were the majority. We still might be, but since the war a lot of Sebs have come to Australia. Dunno. But i think that the Croats still slighlty have an adbantage in numbers.

All the best strawberry yeah y did pik that nik!!!???.

THE MILJAKINATOR 04:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pozdrav od jednog Ozi-Crnogorca

Just a short hello from a fellow Aussie (well, sort of ;-). I see you know a bit about our emigration in Australia. I am trying to learn more about history of Montenegrin migrants and what is your impression about the current situation among our people (yes, I think we are all the same **it pretty much).Hope you can help. BTW, I am based in Sydney. Regards, Momisan 13:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Otis'o

On je napustio wikipediju (nije aktivan korisnik)... iako mu se zato moze "progledati" kroz prste, opet ne bi bas trebalo da to radi. --PaxEquilibrium 13:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fallen Off the Cliff

You have the views like a true Monty. Primamo te! Why don't you join Project Montenegro? Montenegrin cuisine lacks in recipes from Boka, it would be great if you could give your input. Momisan 05:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glupo pitanje

Evo nemam pametnijeg posla pa me zanima kako stavis onu strelicu kad editiras stranicu? Npr. da ti u 'history' pise '->external link'? Pokusavam skuzit ali ne ide. :))) --Factanista 19:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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Nije pauza... mozda se i vratim - umorih se, jednostavno; Balkanizam je jedna vrlo opasna bolestina. --PaxEquilibrium 19:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factanista

Upravo mu je zabranjen pristup wikipediji... on je obican sockpuppet nasilnoga Afrike paprike... pih... --PaxEquilibrium 23:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Pa zasto obrisa onaj post???

Ja znam da je Factanista klon Afrike paprike.

Daleko od postena... On mi je rekao da se "j***m" mnogo puta, pa je trazio i da mi Isus "j*** mater", i rekao mi da sam "slavenosrspsko cetnicko govno". CheckUser je krajnje precizan; od njega registriranje ne stiti nema nacina da se sakrije IP, pa cak i AOL (valjda ce shvatiti Afrika to jednom). --PaxEquilibrium 13:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hello

Jagoda, I apologize. I was born in Yugoslavia and lived most of my life in Serbia. For a great portion of my life, I believed Rudjer was Yugoslav, and noone debated wether he was Serb or Croat.. I was taught that he was a Serb during the 1980s and 1990s. Maybe this was Serb propaganda. This is what I know, and I now realize that it is not true. I therefore denounce my previous views and recognize Rudjer Boskovic as a Croat-Italian. I hope you're not mad, its not my fault for believing what I was taught - but I accept this new information :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 22:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you're not angry, this makes me happy :) To me, its pretty stupid how politics is getting in the way of science and history... I hope that one day this won't be the case... Ethnicity is an illusion, we are who we are, regardless of which "nation" we belong to, right? :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 22:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you :) Anyone can give anyone a star (as far as I know), so if you think that I deserve one, you could be the first person to give me one :D --GOD OF JUSTICE 06:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you're so nice :) Thank you very much for the star :))) --GOD OF JUSTICE 00:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hvala lepo još jednom, nacionalizma je nažalost uvek bilo na Balkanu, nadam se da će doći vreme kada će taj termin biti sasvim zaboravljen. :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 02:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 007

007? Pojavljuje se samo na pocetku (pa to je remake prvog James-a Bonda) - u Kazino Rojalu je i poceo svoju karijeru (u Crnoj Gori). :) --PaxEquilibrium 12:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Emblem

What do you mean exactly? --Göran Smith 01:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe! Do you mean some symbol on the crown on coat of arms of Croatia? I don't know what you mean? explain --Göran Smith 01:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I really don't think there is a similarity of Croatian and Novi Sad flags. --Göran Smith 02:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CG Wiki

I've started up a CG Wiki at cgwiki.elwiki.com (it'll become a seperate website once it gets 10 articles, and it's for free). If you would like, you can join it (you can become a bureaucrat and a SysOp), though I will need extreeeeeeme heeeeeeeeelp!!!!!!!. And, it's written in the Montenegrin language as intended. Think about it and if yes, come join and help out. Please, just do follow the rules of the Montenegrin language on the wiki when contributing. Bye. --Crna Gora 04:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Taj Srbin je Dusko Popov.

Vidi Wikipedia:Barnstars. --PaxEquilibrium 22:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Of course people born in Monaco are not French. They're Monacons. No, but spending life somewhere makes me that. I am not Serbian, but I have become as I live hear for years by now. I don't see how could've his father been Bosniac.

I've already told You that we know as such - Croat-Italian - but we have not always known it as such. According to this logic, the fact had been changed. :) Nevertheless, his father's considered Croat today - and that's what is important.

Did You read Ruggero's article "Citizen of the World"? He considered an insult to call him Italian, and he said he was nothing but a globalman born in Ragusa. :) That's wonderful. Tesla - of Vlach origin? I haven't heard this before (ever). --PaxEquilibrium 12:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ma niti znam odakle su moji nit me previse interesira. Ne zelim pricati o necemu sto mi je zepoznato. I moji su "Vlasi" bili (jedno vrijeme?), ali to nije narodna odrednica - Vlasi su pravoslavni krscanski nomadi, a u Hrvatskoj to je bio (a izgleda i ostao) pogrdni naziv za Srbe. Jesi li cuo za "Statuta Vallachorum"? "Krajisnici" Vojne Krajine su generalno smatrani Vlasima. Mislim da nije pisalo na Wiki da je Tesla Vlah - imas li nesto sto mogu procitati o tome? --PaxEquilibrium 10:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Hi

Hello Jagoda. How's it going?

To answer your question on Marco Polo, I do believe there is a possibility that he was a Croat - after all, he was born on a Croat island - but I think a lot more research needs to be done by historians to verify his ancestry. But apart from that, I don't think his ancestry is as important as some people make it out to be; I think his contributions to the world a far more important. Anyway, bye, and happy editing! - King Ivan 06:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)