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[edit] Excellent work!

Thank you for filling up the List of largest empires! You did a great job! Just what I thought I'll manage when I created that page, but I miserably failed in finding any sources. :-( Tell me, you used only http://www.hostkingdom.net/earthrul.html, or any other source? --Dijxtra 10:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Hi Jagged85, I wanted to let you know that an article I've worked a lot on recently, the Political integration of India is now FAC. I hope you will have some time to consider the work and give it an up or down vote. Please don't consider this soliciting - I'm requesting your participation. Thanks! Rama's Arrow 04:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Mathematics

"The earliest known re-development of writing in India has recently been carbon-dated between 800 BC and 600 BC"

Can you provide a reference for this?

Also, there seem to have been two separate periods of mathematical discovery in India. I wonder if the later period should be moved, to preserve the rough chronological order of the article. Rick Norwood 14:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the changes you've made in the article. On the other hand, keep in mind that this is a summary of the history of mathematics, and that most info on the history of mathematics belongs in the various specialized articles referenced here. Use your judgment in deciding what to put in and what to leave out. Rick Norwood 22:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient history

Hey Jagged85! Good edits on the Ancient History article. This article is devoid of any mention of Indian History. It reads like a European history article (see especially the timeline). You might be interested in joining Wikipedia: WikiProject History of India. deeptrivia (talk) 03:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of people known as father or mother of something

Thanks for your (sorely-needed) India-related additions to this list. I've taken the liberty of editing them a little, in a way I hope you find acceptable. One of the criteria I used was to distinguish between research/discovery and honors bestowed, removing mention of the latter.
Thanks again for your contribution, David Kernow 16:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Please be careful adding names to the list; it's for people known explicitly as "the father/mother of [thing]", not necessarily a list of people who were the originators or leaders of something.--ragesoss 06:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of computer science

Thank you for your contributions to history of computer science. You may be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science. I do have one request for you, could you please fill out the edit summaries when you save your edits, by doing so you provide a great service to your fellow edits. Cheers, —Ruud 16:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rational Trigonometry

I've flagged rational trigonometry as something needing expert attention (the expertise needed is not entirely mathematical, this is an issue in popular mathematics and something of a current event). You seem to have far too much on your plate to get involved personally but perhaps you have some thoughts as to who should take it up. See Talk:rational trigonometry. Abu Amaal 16:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transfinite

Hi Jagged,

I am not convinced by the claim that the ancient Jaina concept to which you refer is properly identified with the contemporary notion of "transfinite". The web references you give (I haven't checked out the print references) talk about different sizes of infinity, yes. But I see no evidence presented that they had the notion that these sizes were distinguished by whether it was possible to match up elements one-for-one, or that they identified the fact that the set of natural numbers was the same size as the set of rational numbers, but that the set of real numbers was bigger, or any other such specific examples accepted in the modern theory. Nor do I see any reference to wellorderings or ordinal numbers. Without these elements, the claim that their ideas should be identified with the "transfinite" looks very dubious to me. If you know of any references that show they had discovered these things—at the very least, the notion of equinumerosity based on matching elements up one-for-one—by all means, please point me to it. Thanks, --Trovatore 17:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jagged, have a look at the debate about how transfinite is defined at Talk:Transfinite_number#Definition_of_transfinite. I notice at Infinite#Early_Indian_views_of_infinity that the quote

The earliest known documented knowledge of infinity was presented in ancient India in the Yajur Veda (c. 1200–900 BC) which states that "if you remove a part from infinity or add a part to infinity, still what remains is infinity".

is equivalent to one of the definitions that Suppes and Rubin give for the definition of transfinite, namely:

  • Patrick Suppes Axiomatic Set Theory Dover, 1972, ISBN 0486616304, page 155, definition 27:
\mathbf{m} is a transfinite cardinal if and only if there is a Dedekind infinite set A such that \kappa (A) = \mathbf{m}

and offers the following equivalences:

Theorem 58, page 155

\mathbf{m}+1 = \mathbf{m}

Your claim about transfinite -- as now used to mean Dedekind infinite -- being Indian in origin seems well grounded to me. --Michael C. Price talk 00:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsectarian image

I have a added a nonsectarian image to the India template. The image there should be as objective and neutrally as possible, and the Emblem of India seems to fulfill this, although I think it would be better to have no image at all. Another good neutral image is the "History of Indonesia" template. If a sectarian images should be added, images representing all religions of India of India must be added, but then the template should be horizontal. Combes 02:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Madhava and approximation to π

Recently at History of π, you removed the discussion of Madhava's formula:

\pi = \sqrt{12}\left(1-{1\over 3\cdot3}+{1\over5\cdot 3^2}-{1\over7\cdot 3^3}+\cdots\right)

and replaced it with the much less accurate and less interesting series:

\frac{\pi}{4} = 1 - \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{5} - \frac{1}{7} + \cdots \pm \frac{1}{2n -1}

Why did you do this? Were you correcting some error? It is well-documented that Madhava did indeed discover the first formula. -- Dominus 15:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Hey Jagged 85, I've been watching your contributions for a long time now. Here's something you thoroughly deserve.

The E=MC² Barnstar
I, deeptrivia, award this E = MC² barnstar to Jagged 85 for his outstanding contributions to Indian mathematics and science articles. deeptrivia (talk) 01:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, I've been working on Nakshatra and its subarticles. It still requires a big amount of work. Was just wondering if you'd be interested in taking a look. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 01:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the award! Now I have something good to add to my home user page. I'm not sure if I'll be any help in Nakshatra though, since I'm no expert in constellations, but I'll check it out. Once again, thank you. Jagged 85 05:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese language classification

Hi, Jagged 85. Thanks for making me provide a references for the page. I should put more in, and maybe I'll get around to that someday. It does need more work, and I put some more in due to your edits.

In the future, rather than just delete something that is not referenced, you might consider adding the "citation needed" tag, which you do by typing 2 left curly brackets, fact and 2 right curly brackets. Take it to the talk page, too!

Also, just so you know, lots of languages have only one liquid consonant; it's not a particularly interesting fact, and does little, by itself, to advance a genetic relation. In fact, there are lots of related languages that have differing numbers of liquids: some varieties of Spanish have four; Italian and French have three; and (AFAIK) all Germanic languages have two, yet they're all related. Similarly, Fijian has three and Hawaiian has one, and they're related, too. Best, Godfrey Daniel 07:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Indian Monarchs

I had absolutely no idea this page was in existence and I was planning to do a similar page, but the said page is done and I must say in excellent fashion. Thank you for the clarification of the Janjua Shahi reference, I am obliged and grateful to you for this. Especially for the fact that you also stood firm and reverted the 'questionable' rv by a now banned extremist user. Your tireless efforts in working for various other India and Asian related articles leaves me no choice to give you a barnstar for your tireless efforts bro. See your new homepage ;-) --Raja 11:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar! I really appreciate it. I'll make sure to continue contributing tirelessly, like the tireless contributor I am. By the way, which extremist user were you referring to? Jagged 16:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Granary at COTW

I have nominated Granary at WP:COTW. If you want you can help... --Francisco Valverde 17:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gandhi

I do not know if Gandhi can be considered a Bollywood film, or an Anglo Indian production.Only one Associate producer ( Mr Jindal) was involved in Indian films. It's an Attenborough film and is a typical western film, directed by a western man and made in English ( dubbed versions are afterthoughts), so to say it is an Indian film is to stretch it a bit. It is "about" India, has some Indians in the cast. ( Even the star- Ben Kingsley, though having some Indian parentage has worked only in western films). But it's atypical Hollwood kind of movie, with Hollywood budgets and big studio distribution ( and marketing). It did not win an Oscar as a foreign film, but as a mainstream english film. The intent of the list is to put up typical "Bollywood" or Mumbai film industry films on that page. Haphar 07:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Important article that was missing altogether

Hi Jagged85. I was quite surprised that Wikipedia had no mention of the metallurgist Nagarjuna. I just created an article. Please link it on relevant articles related to ancient Indian science. deeptrivia (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for edit summary

Hi Jagged. Just a request. It would be nice if you use edit summaries when you contribute. Your name pops up rather often on my watchlist, and it is takes more time for me (and others) to figure out what you are up to if you don't specify an edit summary. It also makes it more clear how a document is evolving by looking at the history. I hope you don't mind. You can reply here if you have questions. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling RPG

Hi there!

I don't want to seem like I'm antagonzing you in the Computer role-playing game article by reverting the FFVII statement; I love that game and believe it is definitely the most popular game associated with the traditional RPG genre. However, if Pokémon is to be considered a part of the RPG genre, then Pokémon Red and Blue/Pokémon Green are most likely the best selling games. The List of best-selling computer and video games would confirm this, but, unfortunately, most of the information there is taken from http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/worldtotals.php

I have nothing against that site, but it can't be considered reliable if it doesn't even provide information on its own references and sources. I've read in at least three different sites that world-wide video game sales data is hard to come by since it's hard to keep track of (even by the game companies themselves) and can easily be exaggerated, so we may never know exactly which single game is the best seller today. I think, in the long run, it's best if article avoids stating that "<insert game here> is the best selling RPG to date." That way, we wouldn't have to change the information on the CRPG article every time the list of best-selling games changes, assuming the information on that page would always be up to date and completely accurate.

Peace, User:White Agent 14:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babylonian mathematics

Hi Jagged. I've removed some text you added to Babylonian mathematics, as a possible copyright violation (see Talk:Babylonian mathematics). Paul August ☎ 15:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi jagged, I see you've reinserted some of the text I removed with the edit summary "restored pieces of text not copied from the History of Mathematics archive", I assume that text is free of copywrite problems? Could you please comment on Talk:Babylonian mathematics as to the origins of that text. Thanks Paul August ☎ 18:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of largest empires

Please do not remove AfD templates while the debate is ongoing; it is considered vandalism. It is perfectly legitimate for an article to be proposed for deletion more than once. — Haeleth Talk 17:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vinod Dham

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Vinod Dham article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! Guy Harris 01:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Mathematics — calculus

Hey! Really impressed by your work on Indian mathematics. Good work. I had a little doubt that I wish to clear. Hope you can help me in this regard. According to the Kerala School article, the Yuktibhasa is the world's fist calculus text. But from what I read in the Bhaskara article, Siddhanta Shiromani describes preliminary concepts of infinitesimal calculus and mathematical analysis, along with a number of results in trigonometry, differential calculus and integral calculus. If that is the case, then how can the book by Kerala school be the first text on calculus? I hope you can give a speedy reply, 'coz the Yuktibhasa article could get into DYK. Thanks! And happy editing! -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK13:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Hi, please have a look at Image:Mohenjodaro computergeneratedimage1.jpg. Greetings, Wikipeditor 00:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economy of India FAR

Hi

You look to be a contributor to this article, which is about to go into FARC unless we can get some input from economics people. A few of us, including me, have put a great effort into copy-editing and other improvements.

Can you assist? There are a number of unaddressed inline queries, and IMV the article needs more depth in a few places.

Tony 10:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

--PEAR 16:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No disruption, please

Please note that, as I pointed in my edit summary, Template:Unreferenced, which you added to Onion dome, is placed either on talk page or at the bottom of the page in question. It's a good idea to check the text of the template before revert warring over the way it should be used. Those who put it at the top of the page are not interested in improving Wikipedia, seeking to uglify the articles. If you persist in revert warring, I will request a short block for disruption. Take care, Ghirla -трёп- 14:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In heliocentrism

dear sir. You said that the year with 365.2468 mean period is defined in shathpath brahmana. The year with mean period of 365.2468 comes when we take the 19 year cycle of lunar calender with 7 leap years, as in case of Hebrew calender. see[1]. In case of Hindu calender, we generally follow this cycle but there have been instances when the leap year was skipped (i suppose 1982), or it came with a gap of just one year (like in 1999) instead of usual gap of two years. If you take the average of Hindu calender for 5000 years, you will get a figure closer to 365.2422, (more accurate than Gregorian calender with 365.2425). nids 06:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic Origins of Peer Review?

Since you contributed a passage on this topic at History of scientific method#Emergence of inductive method please comment on the discussion at Talk:History of scientific method#Peer review in medieval Islam?. --SteveMcCluskey 19:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibooks

Hello! Can you contribute to the Urdu Wikibook (in Wikibooks) Please?

Thanks and Successfully!!!

[edit] Historiography

Hey, thanks for your contribution. It's important that Islamic historiography be included, but I don't know enough about it (anything at all, really) to add anything of quality. I appreciate your contribution. -- TheMightyQuill 05:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi Jagged 85, I think you have done a excellent job on one of the battles of the second Anglo-Sikh war- well done. I think it would be brillant if you could do the same for them all (they seriously need work - i will help you also). Here is a reference to get you started [2], best wishes--Sikh historian 19:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet

User:129.112.109.250 may be a sockpuppet for user:kennethtennyson, both have the same views about India, and a habit of following me around on wikipedia. Best watch out for the sockpuppet and it's anti-India stance in articles like Hindutva, History of calculus etc. I Informed you because I noticed you were editors in some of those articles as well. Freedom skies 18:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wikibooks:Metal Gear Series

Hello Jagged 85! I am writing to you about the wikibook wikibooks:Metal Gear Series. We at wikibooks have voted to keep this book under the following two conditions:

  1. That this book is listed as an annotated text, not a videogame strategy guide.
  2. That you (or some other user) actively contribute to this book, to make it into an acceptable book, and not simply a conglomeration of related articles.

This book represents an experiment for our community to determine whether videogames or other non-book narrative media can be properly annotated on wikibooks. If you are not willing/able to contribute to this book, or if you don't know anybody else who is willing to try, then the book will likely be deleted. --User:Wknight8111 (WB:Whiteknight) 13:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martial race

Hi, since you do contribute to Dravidian and related articles, I though you'd chip in with the controversial Martial Race ideology. Basically I have a dispute with another user whi hasn't properly read the citations, confuses one thing for another and doesn't seem to grasp subcontinent history as a whole; yet insists on editing. Some help there would, um, help. Tx. Idleguy 19:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

Hi! Could you please fill out the Edit summary field for all of your edits? Thanks a lot. Daniel Šebesta (talk • contribs) 01:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pehlwani

I am sure that there is much that you and I do not agree on, but your recent edits have been reasonable ones and a reasonable man deserves to be reasoned with.

The introductory sentence of Pehlwani is attributed to a specific source (Joseph Alter) and what that source says is that the indigenous Hindu form of wrestling that is a source for Pehlwani dates back at least to the 11th century AD, not the 5th century BC, which is what your new edit says.

In other words, the source cited no longer supports the sentence in question.

Therefore, the citation should be removed or the sentence changed to accurately reflect the content of the cited source.

JFD 22:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I just verified your American Ethnologist citation (JSTOR, if you must know) and it checks out. (Of course, it's at the end, in the footnotes, but it still checks out.)

Nice job.
JFD 22:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A note

I noticed that you have been contributing extensively on projects related to Indian martial arts and martial arts in general. Just wanted to say hello and happy editing. Freedom skies 18:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glider

Hi. I would like to verify your edits about Ibn Firnas' glider, which you suggested made a "ten minute flight" in AD 875. You cited the following sources (perhaps cut-and-pasted from IslamOnline?):

  • Poore, Daniel. A History of Early Flight. New York: Alfred Knopf, 1952.
  • Smithsonian Institution. Manned Flight. Pamphlet 1990.

However, these titles are either nonexistent or unobtainable; they're not even in the WorldCat database. If you have them in your possession, can you please give the actual quotes that support what you wrote about Ibn Firnas' "ten minute" flight? Or if you found the publications in a library, please tell me which one so I can contact the library to request verification. Thanks a lot--Opie 17:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tetralemma

Thanks for your corrections, I like them a lot! -- itistoday (Talk) 19:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I am very pleased with you -well done!

You have an excellent job on the Jat article well-done but also put it on your watchlist so you can protect from Vandals and vandalism- ok, protect it from vandal, if vandal comes just revert it. Well-done once again.--Jat78 13:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of famous tall men

Did you block the List of famous tall men page? I can't add new celebrities to this page anymore. Pooter-the-clown 19:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation page numbers

What you've done with citations definitely makes references sections less cluttered.

However, is there a way to preserve the page number?

It makes verifying citations so much easier.
JFD 03:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of largest empires

You have done really a good job with that article.

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For contributing immensely to the article List of largest empires. Jidan 16:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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