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Hi, Jacques. Welcome from me, too. I see from checking the page histories that we have some interests in common (the work of Gilles Archambault, for one) so we'll probably be running across each other again.Jfitzg

And not only are you interested in racehorses, you're interestd in Anthony Trollope, as I am. Spooky. between the two of us we should be able to fill in some considerable gaps on this site.Jfitzg

I'll check the spelling of Matts Scooter's name. In the program he never had an apostrophe, but that means little. What a horse, though. Saw him frequently at Greenwood.Jfitzg

Guess he must have had an apostrophe in the program. What a memory I must have. Thanks for correcting my error.Jfitzg
I'm also trying to use your horse biographies as a model. Very thorough.

You've seen some legends of the trotting game, eh? I'm old, but I wasn't following the trotters in '58 (came to them late). Best race I ever saw was Jate Lobell nosing out Frugal Gourmet in the North America Cup in '87. A lot of game horses in that one.Jfitzg

Thanks for the link to the list of years in literature. My plan now is to keep adding authors, racehorses, and (some) musicians. Between the two of us we should be able to increase the horse/author content pretty significantly.Jfitzg

I used to go to the track occasionally with a fellow who wrote English textbooks, but we didn't talk about Trollope much while we were there. I'm pretty sure most people at Woodbine would find Anthony's last name to be funny. Which reminds me that I haven't read the article about him yet. Have a good weekend.Jfitzg

Here's a sign of age -- when I got to the Trollope article I realized I had in fact read it.Jfitzg

Jacques, thanks for the suggestion about United States Office of the Independent Counsel. As you may be able to tell I'm working my way through legal topics and trying to add more info and also add Canadian content. If you have any more suggestions, let me know. I find working on Wikipedia very relaxing. Of course I have yet to experience heavy re-editing, but I don't think that will really be a problem. I like to volunteer and I offer my work in the spirit of cooperation (how Canadian of me!). Alex756

Thorse is named Stout. I actually checked that one instead of relying on my memory -- you're improving my work habits.Jfitzg

Hello. In regards to your sports template, I think it would look better if the numbered horse races were indented once (by placing an * in front of each #). What do you think? -- Notheruser 16:28 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

Jacques: I states (in the four para.,first sentence, I think) that the United States Office of the Independent Counsel has an unlimited budget — that obvious (to me that is) that comes from the authorizing statute, i.e. it is from the general revenue fund from Congress and no one can reject any IC expenditure (thus making it truely independent from congressional financial control). I think this has more to do with the structure of US government expenditures than this individual law. Do you think it could be made more clear? Alex756 05:24 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Jacques, good work on the years in sport. I'm very impressed with the speed that they're filling up, I was going to add England winning the '66 World Cup but it was already there! Is this a WikiProject? I think it would be useful if it was because then it would be somewhere to keep a record of work in progress or sports in particular years which are not completed yet. -- Ams80 10:19 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

(to Martin) :I've been following Alex756 and his good work here. Note yesterday you were asking someone for details on a photo they had placed in an article. Wondered why it was your business, so I read the DMCA and checked the Talk page. You said you deleted some stuff because it was about Wikipedia. You should put it back, it doesn't mention Wikipedia and is extremely important. After you put it back, I'll ask Alex756 to look it over. Thanks. Jacques Delson

The text in question mentions wikipedia 17 times. Martin

The text in question deleted by you does not mention Wikipedia even once. Please check:

  • (cur) (last) . . 18:58 Apr 15, 2003 . . MyRedDice (reverting - see Talk)
  • Thanks Jacques Delson
Looks like that was an oversight. Feel free to merge the deleted material with Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act.
I have enough work right now and after almost 9 hours today on sports stuff, I'm exhausted. Would you mind fixing your owner error? Thanks. Jacques Delson
pleasure.
I think the whole situation is under control. I added some stuff to DMCA that mentions OCILLA and I will go through Talk:OCILLA to make sure that anything that is not covered in OCILLA is merged into that article. I know Wikipedia is not supposed to be self referential — Why is that? I really don't understand that? — and I noticed when my designated agent offering was changed to Wikipedia:designated agent that a redirect was put in to OCILLA, so I made a short stub about the designated agent and cross referenced OCILLA & DCMA and Wikipedia:designated agent. By that last link do you think I violated any Wikipedia rules? I just thought it would be good to mention to people who are looking for the designated agent to actually find it in the Wikipedia namespace, or at least a link to it. I think technically that is what the law requires. (Though this is not legal advice — (now that's self-referential!)) — ;-) — Alex756

Dear Jacques: Hi! I just wanted to say that sure Id like to keep on helping with the boxing articles. I just think its time that an encyclopedia really dedicates itself to boxing, and so this is a great chance for us to have an encyclopedia that really goes beyond the usual Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson talk and focuses on the other greats as well. If you notice, and I dont mean this as a criticizism, but most encyclopedias would rather much talk about scientists or mathematicians not that many people know about, unlike a Wilfredo Gomez, Wilfredo Benitez or Julio Cesar Chavez, who are national heroes.

Actually if you look at my record, I love writing about EVERYTHING that has made an impact in my life, and things that I like in general, but boxing is my main driving force here..LOL

So, keep up the good job and I hope to read your articles on a Matthew Hilton or a Murray Sutherland soon!!

Thanks for reading the articles Ive been a part of and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Lets Get Ready to Rumble!!! Martin

Dear Jacques; Hi, thanks for your kind words. I love helping to inform people about boxers. Boxers, male or female, might not be teachers, scientists or politicians, but what they do for our entertainment, is worth the admiration of all of us, many people fail to understand that.

Thanks and God bless you!

sincerely yours Antonio Jumping without the parachute! Martin

Are you DW? --Camembert

"Please leave and don't come back until you can cooperate and work in the spirit of creating something valuable." and "Your level of ignorance sinks beneath the dignity of people here. " are very clear violations of our Wikipedia:Wikiquette policy. Please do not violate this policy again. --mav

From JHK's page:

I take very strong objection to you constantly changing the List of French monarchs and imposing your personal view without benefit of facts and in contradiction of facts on the page that go against your views. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for airing personal views or a place to set a personal agenda. I accept Edward James, "The Origins of France: Clovis to the Capetians 500-1000." ISBN: 0333270525 to clearly mean that Clovis is part of the history of France. And, I accept Paul Fouracre and Richard A. Gerberding, Late Merovingian France: History and Hagiography, 640-720. Manchester University Press - ISBN: 0719047919 as meaning the Merovingian were part of France. But, I repeat, I do not accept your unfounded views. And, I take strong exception to you inserting your own misleading text into the REFERENCES in a deceitful attempt to legitimize your unsubstantiated ideas. Kindly put an end to your obsessive behavior. Jacques Delson 21:22 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Damn -- this is why I left before. just for the last part, how can a mention of the context in which a document was written be a deceitful attempt to legitimize unsubstantiated ideas?

Please leave and don't come back until you can cooperate and work in the spirit of creating something valuable.Jacques Delson 22:31 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Your level of ignorance sinks beneath the dignity of people here. And, I and no one else is interested in your "intrepretations", ideas., beliefs or any thing you may dream up. If you have facts, post facts, Otherwidse stop playing games and trying to destroy other's hard work. Jacques Delson 22:36 25 May 2003 (UTC)

more of the same

From the history pages here it seems this JHK person keeps coming back trying to impose her view. Cambridge University is not French so accept facts as they are. Please do not insert opinions or generalities about some mythic group who "now see things different". Do as someone before did. If you have documented facts or texts to refer to, please state them. Otherwise, stop trying to impose an unfounded view. 22:57 22 May 2003 (UTC)

This is typical of the type of attacks which drove JHK and Michael Tinkler (both professional mediaevalists) from the Wikipedia despite the fact that their contributions were of a much higher standard (in that they were based on better research) than those of the armchair historians who attacked them. I was very sorry at the time to see the two of them go and I'm even more sorry to see that the attacks continue. -- Derek Ross

Just let it go until you provide documented facts that contradict the FACTS that are listed. I accept the book references someone posted here, you should too. Your continued insertion of unfounded and even derogatory opinions is not acceptable. Please grow up, whoever/whatever you claim to be. It is people like you who drive away sincere contributors. Jacques Delson 04:46 23 May 2003 (UTC)

I posted the following to User:JHK's page and will amend this page one final time:

  • I take very strong objection to you constantly changing the List of French monarchs and imposing your personal view without benefit of facts and in contradiction of facts on the page that go against your views. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for airing personal views or a place to set a personal agenda. I accept Edward James, "The Origins of France: Clovis to the Capetians 500-1000." ISBN: 0333270525 to clearly mean that Clovis is part of the history of France. And, I accept Paul Fouracre and Richard A. Gerberding, Late Merovingian France: History and Hagiography, 640-720. Manchester University Press - ISBN: 0719047919 as meaning the Merovingian were part of France. But, I repeat, I do not accept your unfounded views. And, I take strong exception to you inserting your own misleading text into the REFERENCES in a deceitful attempt to legitimize your unsubstantiated ideas. Kindly put an end to your obsessive behavior.Jacques Delson

from wikipedia:village pump

I posted this on JHKs page and on the List of French monarchs discussion page. This person has kept up her nonsense for a long time, driving several users away. Whatever her agenda, someone has to put an end to it, because despite polite, then stern warnings about her conduct, this man or woman going by the user name of JHK ignores everything. It is vandalism to delete facts because they disprove what are unfounded theories that smell of racism and I certainly do not to continue to work at this website if this kind of behavior is allowed to continue.

  • I take very strong objection to you constantly changing the List of French monarchs and imposing your personal view without benefit of facts and in contradiction of facts on the page that go against your views. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for airing personal views or a place to set a personal agenda. I accept Edward James, "The Origins of France: Clovis to the Capetians 500-1000." ISBN: 0333270525 to clearly mean that Clovis is part of the history of France. And, I accept Paul Fouracre and Richard A. Gerberding, Late Merovingian France: History and Hagiography, 640-720. Manchester University Press - ISBN: 0719047919 as meaning the Merovingian were part of France. But, I repeat, I do not accept your unfounded views. And, I take strong exception to you inserting your own misleading text into the REFERENCES in a deceitful attempt to legitimize your unsubstantiated ideas. Kindly put an end to your obsessive behavior. Jacques Delson 21:22 25 May 2003 (UTC) Jacques Delson 22:25 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's too bad that somehow someone called JHK has Administratibve powers to delete peoples work and others do nothing about her vanadalism. I came here to contribute, but not to spend my time to argue with someone who posts opinions and POV articles and has the audacity to inform Wikipedia in an article that SHE will allow the Carolingians on the list of French monarchs. This makes a joke out of Wikipedia. So, I say goodbye, and thank User:AntonioMartin for his valued help. Jacques Delson 23:16 25 May 2003 (UTC)

I'm wondering upon what authority it is that you start shifting amd moving things on my page. If you have a problem with anything I write in any place, then put your objections at the appropriate location but do not desecrate my pages. Thank you. Jacques Delson 03:30 26 May 2003 (UTC)

Funny you should think that placing things you wrote elsewhere onto your talk page desecrates your talk page. --mav
I felt that they were personal attacks, so I moved them here. If other people disagree with this, they will no doubt revert my moves. You are of course free to delete your comments if you feel they are desecrating the place - I moved them here so that you have the option of keeping them or deleting them, as you see fit.
If you do leave Wikipedia, may I wish you the very best of luck wherever you go. If you decide to say, I hope you will be successful in your goal of spending your time contributing, not arguing. Martin
(to Martin) You sure were right, sir, this Mr. Delson indeed did want to work, and you saw his user contributions too as I just did. The huge amount and quality of what Mr. Delson did in creating 50 full years in sports with massive detail and linked articles was badly need. It is indeed sad that he is one more driven away by the abuse of Ms. User:JHK. We need contributors like him who minded their business and worked hard. Thank you, sir, and have a joyous time at Wikipedia. Triton
Thank you. May you also have a joyous time at Wikipedia, and may your joy never impact the joy of others. Martin 23:10 29 May 2003 (UTC)

Moved comments:

Perhaps you missed my question above. Why does JHK get to deface Jacques Delson's page with stereotypical comments about Canadians and not be accused of a breach of Wikiquette?

Cat's got your tongue, eh? No matter -- your silence speaks volumes. It seems Wikiquette only applies to certain people. If you're one of the cool kids you can be as obnoxious as you want. And that's why I'm posting anonymously. Don't need JHK slagging me off at the length she likes to ramble on and having no recourse.
I fixed the edit in question. Martin
It's interesting that on Triton's talk page JHK accuses Triton of posting the above comment and of concealing his command of English in other posts. This is an example of one thing that's wrong with this place -- people making baseless accusations. I ( Trontonian ) posted the comment, not Triton. I'm sure, though, that the paranoia rampant on Wikipedia will lead some to refuse to believe me.
Anyway, I didn't notice JHK either apologizing or denying the accuracy of the post, which would have been a productive way of dealing with it. Since JHK will no doubt be coming back under another name he/she can feel free to take this up with me. And if his/her sysop buddies want to ban me, feel free. Trontonian

Mr. Delson, sir, I note that these comments moved here have no creditation. As such I copied the following from Mr. User:Maverick's page so we might know. My computer skills are not the best, I hope I did it right. Triton

  • (cur) (last) . . 12:39 29 May 2003 . . 216.154.9.167

(cur) (last) . . 12:37 29 May 2003 . . 216.154.9.167

Mr. User:Jacques Delson. I hope you will change your mind and come back. I am sorry you were driven away. It appears there was little done on "years in sports" until you made the effort. I think your work was outstanding and obviously a great amount of time and dedication was made. I'm not a great sports fan but I did like the way you tried to make it international like listing the major horse races. For your enjoyment if you decide to come back, perhaps I will do a small article on the Godolphin Stables and their successes, something I do know a liitle bit about. Thank you sir. May the Prophet bless you. Triton


Jacques -- What I said is pretty representative of what historians of Medieval and Late Antique History say about France, AFAIK. WHat I know is more than the average wikipedian -- I am by profession a Historian -- my specialtiy is Carolingian. I'm fairly up on the scholarship and, if you not, I added two references to the list at the end of the French Monarchs page. ALso, as I have tried to explain many times before, most general books are talking about France in the sense of a geographical area, often following conventions that are being rethought. If one looks at two very simple criteria, I don't understand the problem. Simply put, ask yourself if the M's were French -- answer, no, they were Franks. DIfferent thing entirely, despite the fact that the name France is derived from Francia -- but then so is Franken in Germany -- surely you aren't saying that people living in Franken are French? WHat about Louis the German? (paraphrased)

Second question -- were the M's kings of France? Answer -- no -- the Merovingians ruled several kingdoms at different times. The best-known are Austrasia and Neustria. No France. The country that is now France just didn't exist.

Now, you can ask different questions and get different answers -- Do many French people think of the Merovingians (and Carolingians) as French? Probably they do. There's even good reason, since some of them are buried in Paris (although I'm pretty sure some of the remains were translated there in the same way that saints' relics were translated -- often stolen -- in the MA -- again, Patrick Geary is a good source for this). But you know what? Germans also think of many of the same Frankish kings (especially the Carolingians) as German. I would say the same to them -- nope. This field is growing by leaps and bounds. Much of what appears on the wikipedia reflects less the comfortable conventions and more the newer trends, because that's a luxury that the medium offers. I have tried to make that clear. oh -- and a couple of other things --

  • If the Merovingians were the first kings of France, why do the Carolingians make no attempt to emphasize contiuity? Answer (main reason) -- because there was no need. They had the support of the Frankish nobles AND the pope. They were much more concerned with the tie to Rome
  • Why do the Capetians need to tie things back to the Merovingians? Answer (somewhat simplified) -- Hugh Capet's claim to the throne, although supported by the western Frankish nobles, wasn't that strong -- over the succeeding generations, and for a number of political reasons, inheritance through Salic law and continuity back to those times was emphasized by the Capetian kings -- this became more important at times when rival claimants to the throne (like the kings of England) appeared.
  • Are there any other claims about the Merovingians and their position out there that provide documentation? ANswer -- yes, there are several books out there that demonstrate that the Merovingians are direct descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, and that they are also somehow connected to the Knights Templar. IS this provable? um ... no, but many people believe it. It doesnt mean it should be in the article on Merovingians, though. JHK (written by an unlogged in user at IP 12.208.151.49)

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