User talk:Jackanapes

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[edit] 3RR

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[edit] Bulgarian Jewry

Thanks for alerting me to your interest in this topic. I'm about to go on a Wikibreak till mid-November, but will keep your request in mind for my future editing. I'll certainly cite available material, though mostly I do library research. Meanwhile, you might check info on the website of Yad Vashem; my visit to their new exhibition in December 2005 was my first exposure to the heroic story of the rescue of Bulgarian Jewry. --Cheers, Deborahjay 10:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] The rebellion

Jackanapes, it's not fair to war. I'm a historian, not a nationalist, and I don't have any more time for this. But it's a beautiful chapel. Just cite one source that says it was built in the 12th century, and we'll put it back in the text. Otherwise, you must stop. Andrew Dalby 21:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding this

You have to understand what you insist on adding has to be perfectly sourced in order to be included, because it's a very strong claim: "most of the Macedonian mass media[citation needed] and major political figures[citation needed] " needs more than one reliable reference, as well as "two[citation needed] basic elements" and all claims from there to the end of the sentence. Unless you provide serious references this is simply a POV addition of little use. Todor→Bozhinov 12:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Good! Now please edit the paragraph so that it says this is the opinion in Bulgaria (both articles reflect the Bulgarian POV) and so that it exactly corresponds to what the sources say (none of them specifically discusses general "denial or negativization" of our history or the self-proclaimed Macedonian minority). Also, there are some typos that need to be corrected, and references should be formatted using {{cite news}} or {{cite web}}. Regards, Todor→Bozhinov 17:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Първо да те помоля да запазиш добрия тон, за да бъде ползотворна дискусията. Сега — Българската медийна коалиция си е Българска медийна коалиция. Не казвам, че не е обективна, но международен или чужд източник би бил по-авторитетен в този случай. Освен това статията споменава единствено, че в Р Македония са "по-критични" и се споменават някои случаи на негативно отразяване на събитията в България в македонските медии. По никакъв начин нямаме потвърждение, че става въпрос за "повечето македонски медии", нито пък за систематичност или антибългарски настроения. Има разлика между това, което всички знаем и в което вярваме, и това, което можем да докажем чрез неутралната гледна точка.
За изказването на Калфин пък: той не споменава никакви политически фигури, така че е изцяло неприложимо като източник за това твърдение. Но пък може да се ползва, за да докажем, че нашата държава официално смята, че има "агресия към българската нация или история от страна на македонските власти", защото това е казал Калфин именно.
Не знам кои въпроси разбирам и кои не разбирам, а в случая не е и важно кой какво разбира. От значение са единствено принципите на Уикипедия и тяхното спазване. Todor→Bozhinov 18:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Така — първо "твоите" текстове не са ми чужди, защото всичко в Уикипедия е на общността; по въпроса можеш да погледнеш WP:OWN. И не изтрих нищо (пази се в History), просто премахнах силни, но необосновани твърдения докато бъдат доказани. Освен това за добрия тон няма значение кой какво прави — ако ще да се обръщаш към вандал или трол, в Уикипедия (а и навсякъде) се уважава добрият тон.
Виж сега... те ако се негативни това не винаги значи, че са необективни. Не ме разбирай погрешно — нито съм адвокат, нито съм особен фен на македонистката пропаганда, но за да се справим с нея е нужно да спазваме принципите на Уикипедия (което все пак не ни затруднява твърде много — като цяло никога не е трудно да докажеш една плоска лъжа).
Не знам защо толкова повтаряш това "негативно" — ето, според това изследване и в Испания са негативни спрямо нас, но това не значи, че не са прави; т.е., с това не доказваме, че македонските медии именно отричат или негативизират нашата история в Македония. Нужен е друг източник за това. А и друг за "major political figures", както казах няколко пъти.
А за логичното мислене — аз него си го имам и си го действам, проблемът е, че в Уикипедия има едно WP:NOR, което ни съветва да се придържаме към източниците вместо да правим от тях изводи, които не са публикувани в случая. А особено пък за да издигнем някаква позиция. Todor→Bozhinov 18:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OCS

That some OCS documents are called "Macedonian" may be seen in any of the three major handbooks of OCS in the English-speaking world, those of Lunt, Nandris, and Schmalstieg. The term was in use before 1945 and implies no connection with the language now spoken in the Republic of Macedonia. Please do not revert the page again, OCS editors are sick of people dragging in nationalist disputes based on misunderstanding of the terminology. CRCulver 17:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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