Talk:Jack Moran

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[edit] Jack Moran & Jackie Moran

After my earlier edits, I did a little research and discovered a serious problem with this article, because it seems to conflate the biographies of two separate people: the child actor Jackie Moran, who retired from acting in 1947, and John E. Moran/Jack Moran, who worked with Russ Meyer. Nearly all the biographical details in the article have to do with Jackie. The parts about the Meyer films belong to John E./Jack, who is apparently not the same person.

Another problem is that I can't find anything about John E./Jack beyond the bare details at IMDb, and I'm no film expert. And there is not currently a page for Jackie Moran. I'm hoping someone better versed in film history can sort this out, create an article for Jackie & move most of this article's info there, and then flesh out this article with further info about John E./Jack. --ShelfSkewed 03:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I took a quick look at IMDb, saw there were three Jackie Moran listings, assumed you were right and created a Jackie Moran page. The second Jackie Moran, though, was an actor in Road To Perdition, and the third was female.

I now think that Jack E./Jack/Jackie are all one person. He retired from acting in 1947 to go into screenwriting and PR work. His NY Times obit says the PR work was for the Chicago diocese of the Catholic church. Nobody says who the screenwriting is for, and I can't find anything as Jackie. There's another page for Jack Moran at IMDb, but there is NO biographical information attached to it. I think it's highly unlikely that he could have survived from 1947 to 1990 as a screenwriter without ever having written anything that was made into a film. So applying Occam's Razor, I think that it's all the same guy. Consequently, I blanked out the new Jackie article that I had created. Also, you might want to check on the date of birth. Is it 1923 or 1925? ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 21:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There's one piece of information that supports your supposition: Jackie Moran was, like Jack Moran, born John E. Moran. What still troubles me the most is that I haven't been able to find a single online reference (other than this Wikipedia article & its clones) to Jackie that tied him to Jack's work with Russ Meyer--nor (to put the same thing the other way around) could I find a reference to Jack that tied him to the work of the child-actor Jackie. It seems unlikely to me that, if the two were actually one and the same, absolutely no one would know about it or think it worth mentioning. --ShelfSkewed 04:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I look at it the other way around. The existance of both Jack Moran and Jackie Moran (I) pages on IMDb appears to be the only thing that indicates that they were different people.

I've heard a number of people say IMDb is rife with error. The folks at IMDb (now Amazon) basically fed in a number of databases, and it was the computers that did the matchups. You can download the databases they use, for free, if you want to play around with them. If you're still active in the industry, you (or your agent) would tell IMDB how to fix their errors - but Moran died in 1990, and IMDb didn't exist until 1996.

The bio on Jackie Moran (I) says he stopped acting and went into screenwriting in 1947. The fact that Jack Moran didn't just write scripts, but took some bit parts in Russ Meyer's films indicates that he wasn't afraid of being in front of the camera. Russ Meyer was an outsider, and he shot non-union films. That would help explain why there is a disconnect; if Actors Equity officially knew that he was working in non-union films, they would not allow him union films to employ him. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 04:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)