Talk:Jōyō kanji

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Contents 1 Kanji wikified 2 Readings 3 Kanji 1419 ? 4 Tōyō to Jōyō changes

[edit] Kanji wikified

I think it is or it will become common policy to wikify kanji. At the time being, there are no articles yet for most of them, for some, redirects exist to their meaning (which is probably misleading). Some articles on the actual kanji exist though, and very few of these can be instructive on what such articles can and should contain and what makes it worth to have them in wikipedia and not in wiktionary, e.g. ethymology, stroke order, etc. (see also: A). Ben talk contr 08:44, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

There's a problem with wikilinking kanji, though: the English Wikipedia only supports ISO Latin-1 in article titles, not Unicode, so they all end up with titles like Æœ´ and similar gibberish. If we're going to have kanji/han character articles, there needs to be some sort of standard for titles. The Manual of Style for Japan-related articles doesn't say anything about this yet. — Gwalla | Talk 19:22, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it seems to me that Wiktionary is a more suitable place for articles on individual kanji. And, lo and behold, it does seem to have articles on them (and supports Unicode titles, so they appear properly). So we should probably be linking kanji to their articles on Wiktionary. — Gwalla | Talk 23:32, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

The Kyoiku kanji page links all the kanji to the wiktionary. Seems like a good system, and this page could borrow from that page when building the links to save time.

[edit] Readings

It's a common misconception that jouyou kanji is just a list of characters. It's not: it's a list of characters and their official readings. This page is therefore incomplete until the readings are added, including an indication of which are on and which are kun. The linked kanji in Wiktionary do not contain this information either; just a list of all readings, whether official or not. --Auximines 17:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

What you're saying is correct, but it's rather a big job to put this information into the page for two thousand or so characters. I'm not sure if Jim Breen's kanjidic contains information about joyo/non-joyo readings, so you would probably have to consult a recent kanji dictionary. I suppose on/kun readings could be indicated by italics or bold, or something like that, since katakana doesn't seem like a good idea. Anyway anyone who reads a kanji dictionary will know that you are right, and the article should conform to that. --DannyWilde 00:17, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes it's a big job, but I'm sure the combined might of Wikipedeans worldwide is up to the task! I've added an external link to the offical list of Jouyou kanji and their readings. Most sources I've seen use uppercase for on readings and lowercase for kun. Question is, where to add these readings? On this page, or on the individual kanji pages in Wiktionary? --Auximines 11:17, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I've added a few readings I could remember from the top of my head and checked back with EDICT. Its not much and I didn't go over the complete list, but it's a start. --MBarkhau 13:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kanji 1419 ?

Under position 1419 there's no kanji, but a "NAME?" label. What's the missing kanji ? Taw 03:47, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Comparing with the official lists, it seems that the missing kanji is 耐, with readings TAI or ta(eru), and meaning "resistant to something". [1]. I'll correct the list in the article. Taw 03:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tōyō to Jōyō changes

Does anyone have references for the Tōyō to Jōyō changes. I have a Tōyō list which contains 1863 characters. 1863 + 95 != 1945. How did Tōyō evolve prior to Jōyō?

Further, has anyone seen a textual version of the documents here [2] ?