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Working on some updates to pages I like

Izaakb 17:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Ducati

I'm actually sorry I didn't see your Ducati history time line suggestion before i'd written so much. Perhaps I've done too much even.., but looking at the motorcycle stuff on Wiki, thought it should be more comprehensive. The facts are there, and maybe a few non-facts too, but good Ducatisti will weed them out, yes? (Currently trying to uncopyvio User:Seasalt/Vincent , but will probably do more on Ducati... left replies on Ducati talk page Seasalt 12:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ducati - american spelling pls

Could you tell me the logic behind this? Seasalt 10:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Consistency in the article. It is arbitrary, had the article originally been written in the Queen's English, then I guess it would be maintained as such. But having "utilise" in one location and "color" in another is inconsistent. Izaakb 16:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the logic of dividing the history pages: The basis of division ended up being two valve and multivalve, even though the actual titles don't reflect it. Early floundering with the naming means Ducati_V-twin_motorcycles has already been moved once, and I am not necessarily finalised on that anyway. At the moment, it covers two valve motors, the desmodue models....while Ducati_Quattrovalvole_motorcycles covers multivalve....earlier division was air cooled and water cooled..... So if I want to change the titles again, I want to be confident about getting someone to deal with any "double redirects".

Singles, Bevel Camdrive Twins, Belt Camdrive Twins, Belt Camdrive Four Valve Twins

or

Singles, Bevel Camdrive Twins, Belt Camdrive Air-cooled Twins, Belt Camdrive Liquid-cooled Twins

or something else.Seasalt 10:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you can just make the "V-twin" page with bevel and belt sections. They are sufficiently distinct. Izaakb 16:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ducati Elettronica

was the name of the company at the time, not Ducati Energia. As far as I can find out Ducati Energia came into existence in the eighties. Historically the company split in 1953 into Elettronica and Mechanica. Energia did not yet exist.

you are correct, I think I mentioned that in the talk page later. There are also two other Ducati companies, can you name them? i'll add them to the article later... Izaakb 14:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
No, you've got me there. I definitely dont get the $64000. Er, Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects#WikiProject Motorcycles Any thoughts? Seasalt 01:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I just reviewed the article and saw that Ducati Corse was listed -- so that means only one isn't listed (as a separate entity). It is DucatiSistemi, an independent subsidiary of DucatiEnergia. www.ducatisistemi.it

Ok, put it in, but are u interested in the project thing above? need 5-10 interested parties to get a project page sort of stuff. Forgot this one User:Seasalt/Project Motorcycles Goes with it.Seasalt 13:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Interested, but I am pretty focused on Ducati and a few other Italian marques. I'll check out the page. Izaakb 15:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Does that post mean yr in, or just agree about the classification being dodgy? I just realised we've been using mainpage User:Seasalt/Project Motorcycles.Seasalt 15:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


i'm in, i signed up on the projects page. it's not dodgy at all. great idea!Izaakb 15:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It has progressed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling There is another members list there to add your name to. Seasalt 01:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 132.241.246.111

The pattern of edits from 132.241.246.111 convince me that this is a single user over these many months. Probably a persistent connect in a dorm room or somesuch. —12.72.70.101 00:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motorcycle to dos

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the reasoning behind some of the additions to the Motorcycle to do list. All the marques you added are already on the List of motorcycle manufacturers that is there for reference as a "to do" so it seems redundant. IMHO, adding more individual marque names will just make the list too long - they are listed already and really don't need another link, so I hope you don't mind but I will remove that edit. Regarding the additions to the "Stubs", Benelli (motorcycles) is not a stub but a reasonably long article so why you added it I don't know. The other two are still stubs, though neither is new and might be better under the heading "Expand". That is up to you. Thanks for the input. Cheers ww2censor 17:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I was working on a list, and was working in preview. I think something happened, and my computer's been down until about 10 minutes ago.Izaakb 18:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Cheers ww2censor 03:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] the Chang Jiang

just about the definition of Chang Jiang.In fact,Chang Jiang is the most popular name for Yangtze River.while the latter generally describe the downstream of this river.Ksyrie 03:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand that, but that name is practically unknown in English speaking countries. That information would be more useful in the Yangtze_River article. A quick survey of English websites with Google pulled up over 1.9 million hits for "Yangtze River" and only 732 for { "Chang Jiang River" }, and 64,000 for { "Chang Jiang" river }. For the disambiguation page, it is appropriate to state that the name "Chang Jiang" is lesser known because, in English, it simply is lesser known. I will be re-editing the page. Thanks for your help. Izaakb 17:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree that Yangtze/Yangtse River is the usual English name and that the Wikipedia entry should be at 'Yangtze River'. In fact, I was the one who originally moved the article from 'Chang Jiang' to 'Yangtze River'. However, I'm rather dubious about the need to go out of our way to explicitly mark 'Chang Jiang' as 'lesser known', especially as some would argue that 'Chang Jiang' is a more legitimate name for the river. (I personally don't agree that it is a more 'legitimate' name in English, but I think it is, well, slightly provocative to dismiss the official Chinese name as 'lesser known'.)
The most important information at this redirect page is that 'Chang Jiang' is the Chinese name of the river. The fact that there is a redirect, and information given at the article itself, should be sufficient to allow users to form a judgement on the status of usage.
Bathrobe 01:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your understanding :) I'm afraid I'm not getting as much understanding from our friend Ksyrie. I don't believe the points he is making (at the Yangtze River talk page) are valid; in fact, a lot of them seem to be beside the point. What is more, thanks to my inept comments on the matter, we seem to be straying into territory that is not even strictly related to the question in hand :(
Bathrobe 03:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Izaakb, it's very strange... I don't know if it's coincidence or what. As you may know, I'm living in China, where Wikipedia was blocked for quite a few months.

Well, following my comments to User Ksyrie in which I gently suggested that his attitude was "arrogant", I am now unable to access either the Yangtze River page or the talk page! The page loads halfway and then stops loading! Or I get a notice that "the connection to the server was reset" (Firefox).

I don't know if I'm being paranoid or not, but what concerns me is the possibility that someone is monitoring controversial debates concerning China and blocking access when things get too hot! This is following a similar pattern that occurs when you access a page that the Chinese government doesn't like, namely: "the connection to the server was reset", followed by a period (5 or more minutes) when you can't access the Internet at all. As long as you don't go back to the forbidden site/page, your access to the web is restored after a while.

In this case, Internet access is not a problem, but access to that page (Yangtze River and talk page) is denied, followed by a period when I can't access Wikipedia. After a while I can access Wikipedia again -- unless I try to access "Yangtze River" or the talk page, in which case the pattern recurs.

Perhaps I am being oversensitive, but this is really strange behaviour!

I assume that user Ksyrie has been reacting rather negatively to my comments. It seems to be his passionate belief that Chinese people should not be expected to use the Latin alphabet. Well, he is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I'm unable to see his response!

Bathrobe

your inability to access to wiki is because Edit conflict,non of business of censoring,just be cool,people always have many different POV,but we still live together. Ksyrie

I have responded at Ksyrie's user page. Bathrobe 03:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Izaakb, thanks for that explanation. The page is fully accessible again this morning. I'm afraid I may have been too suspicious; perhaps it was nothing more sinister than a technical error. But not necessarily.
Bathrobe 00:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested changes to Gun control in the United States (by state)

Please put your replies to my suggestions here. Thanks

[edit] UK Company records

You have such a good grasp of Ducati's ownership/structure that I wondered if u knew how to find out stuff about defunct UK brands? There is a spot in AMC Sunbeam BSA history that brings up seemingly contradictory material. The date of sale to Associated Motorcycles would appear to be 1938 or near. Who officially owned it? (Colliers, Matchless, or AMC) They sold it to BSA in 1943? Who designed the S series, AMC or BSA? I have seen a letter in a classic motorcycling magazine chiding the author of an article and finishing with "and remember, AMC never built Sunbeams." which suggests non-production from 1938-1943..... but one website says "produced till 1939" another says "designed a new S series of motorcycles"... any ideas? Seasalt 12:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I can dig around, but it probably won't do any good for UK companies. I have access to Ducati history because TPG did a lot of research on them and I have access to those documents. Izaakb 15:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, it was worth a try..Seasalt 11:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:MchlWngr

You've been tracking this spammer, have you reported him? Izaakb 20:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, it looks like he hasn't edited since about noon my time, so i haven't yet. But assuming he comes back and vandalizes after a t4, then I will. Thanks for keeping an eye on the vandals! Peace, delldot | talk 23:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Advise

Yaf has unilaterally changed "Gun control laws" in the Gun Politics article to "Firearms laws."[1]

See: Talk:Gun_politics_in_the_United_States#Gun_control_laws

Once again, the subsection was very clearly intended to cover gun control, and cites specific gun control measures. Since these changes were made only after I used it as a reason to keep the "by state" article's original title, I suspect, though I do not claim, that this is an attempt to nullify the strongest point I made on the "by state" talk page. It would be easier to assume otherwise if Yaf would actually participate on the talk page. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 03:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and for the sake of credibility, it would make more sense for you to restore the title of the "by state" page. I'd be happy to help with any stray links once that is done. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 05:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Ducati monster 800.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Image:Ducati mach1 800.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Image:Ducati HyperMotard 800.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Image:999SBK.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Ducati images

It's understandable to be upset when images you upload are tagged for deletion. I would suggest you follow all instructions when uploading fair use images. They require that you've actually checked to see if no free use image exists and that you've placed a fairly detailed fair use rationale on the image descriptions. Roguegeek (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

When replacing fair use images with free use images, I don't see a reason to have a discussion on it considering all fair use images on Wikipedia should be replaced right away. Also, please check out the WP:MOS. The format of the images in the table of the Ducati page are not conforming to Wikipedia style guidelines. I will be changing this again and please do not edit back to the table format as you already have today. Thanks. Roguegeek (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Like I said, it's a courtesy. Also, you are again citing something that I cannot find. There is no style prohibition on placing a horizontal row of photos. →Guide to Layout: Images

[edit] Unspecified source for Image:PaulSmartLE1000.jpg

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[edit] Ducati free use images

I completely agree with you on the images. I'm really not fond of them what so ever. Wish I could have spent more time on it, but the show was incredibly crowded. They fill some of the voids for the mean time, but please feel free to replace them with alternative free use images when they are made available. I will also be trying to shoot more encyclopedic (ie. more clear showing more detail with better angles) images as opportunities present themselves. Thanks for your feedback. Roguegeek (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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