Talk:Ivan Fyodorov (printer)

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[edit] "Annihilated monument"

Regarding the phrase:

The monuments to him in Lvov were annihilated by the Ukrainian nationalists in 1997.

Disregarding any personal judgements about "Ukrainian Nationalists", I was surprised to see this because I have not heard that the monument was ruined. I found the following articles (both in Russian) of post-1997 that confirm the monument existence: this 2003 article and also this 2004 article. Please respond with any info here. The info from these articles, along with wikilinked Ukrainian WP article may be used to improve this English WP entry. I will delete the phrase about annihilation unless someone confirms it here soon. -Irpen 19:17, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

http://www.sedmitza.ru/index.html?sid=198&did=2302&p_comment=belief

http://pravoslavye.org.ua/index.php?r_type=&action=fullinfo&id=6297

These articles state that Ivan's tomb and the nearby monument were annihilated in the 1990s. Another monument, erected in 1977 near the Ascension church, was to be demolished by municipal authorities in 1997 but this didn't come to pass "through intervention of Russian population". -Ghirlandajo 07:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I completely dislike church sources. They are very dirty. Ilya K 13:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The best thing would be to ask someone living in the city or at least check more sources. Yes, the controversy is there, but as presented right now it is not neutral. First of all, there is a "not annihilated monument". Second, look at this article: "Во Львове открылась мемориальная доска в память о первопечатнике Иване Федорове (28 декабря 2003)". The last thing I want is to censor the info about vandalism of nationalist extremists or the local govs that choose to follow up on a convenient rhetoric. However, if we want to have this sensitive issue mentioned, we have to research an issue a little bit, stick to the facts and present it neutrally. It is still better to say nothing at all than to have an extreme POV phrase like "The monuments to him in Lvov were annihilated by the Ukrainian nationalists in 1997". This is misleading. Could anyone provide more facts on this story? Please no flames. -Irpen 18:17, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Well, now I feel I should delete this mention. Sources you mentioned are propaganda. They contain many mistakes and unwieghted offensive phrases. I can give details if you like. Even if annihilation really took place, it should be detaily investigated. It seems to be a good fact in article about post soviet church authorities annihilating culture heritage. Ilya K 18:53, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Ilya's deletion of the text in the form it appeared. However, I disagree that the controversy about Fyoderov's memorabilia in Lvov does not deserve to be mentioned in this article at all. We should do more research on the issue and return to it mentioning the facts which are indisputable and drawn from solid sources. It's not just "post-soviet authorities" issue in general. It is about extremist wings of Ukrainian nationalism and the corrupted city authorities who choose to switch to a new ideology with an equal zeal. This is not at all a single incident in Lviv. I remember reading about changing the main city street name there from "Peace" (yes it was call the Street of Peace, not "Lenin Street") to Stepan Bandera Avenue, definitely a very controversial step and a very controversial figure to say the least. Back to our article, is it worth moving it to "Ivan Fyoderov" or "Feoderov"? What do you think? -Irpen 20:28, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)