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[edit] Vagrant Story

Should Vagrant Story be mentioned? "VG is the same world as Tactics" was mostly conjecture before thanks to AJ Durai and other connectios, but FFXII seems to strengthen the bond considering the nation of Valendia. 216.185.76.77 17:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual connection between the games

I thought this bore consideration, but are there any FACTUAL statements to back up the idea that the world of Ivalice in FF:T, FFXII and Vagrant Story are actually the same world, as opposed to simply being superficially similar? - [[Words of Ivory]]

I would like some confirmation as well. Many Final Fantasy games are similar. What actually tells us that these are all in the same world? They use many of the same images and names but they are used differently in each game. For example, the jagds in TA are the places where characters can actually die, in XII they are where airships cannot fly and jagds seem to be completely unmentioned in Tactics and Vagrant story. -24.6.32.106

I agree. Also in XII, Ivalice seems to be referred as a planet.69.224.94.234 11:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to throw in that I read on some of the other fact pages that the official timeline goes Final Fantast Tactics -> Final Fantasy XII -> Vagrant Story. the source: http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy12/news.html?sid=6158485 with the qoute: "While Final Fantasy Tactics involved very little technology, the world of Final Fantasy XII is highly technological since it takes place many years past the events of that game." So if someone could fix that, it would be great

That is not official. The interview in question is doubtful because there's no transcript, and likely a mistranslation on the interviewers part. By the way, there is a japanese fan site that had taken all its information from the Ultimania and official sources - Squenix - which states that the timeline is thus FFXII > FFT > VG > FFTA. Here's a link for those who can read japanese! http://owb.cool.ne.jp/ivalice/tl/history.htm Don't worry, I know japanese, it's trustworthy. 私はBluerfnです 09:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced. I remember reading an interview transcript somewhere that FFXII did, in fact, take place after FFT (though I understand the argument for it occurring beforehand). I don't have the source available right now, however, so I suppose it does not matter. --The Way 01:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we need someone who can confirm the timeline in the FFXII Ultimania story guide. They are usually very comprehensive and, more importantly, official. Unfortuantly, my two months of Japanese 101 aren't up to the task. I would also like to point to the possibility that the games might just share a general setting with no cohesive timeline. This 2003 interview with Matsuno seems to support this. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20784

“Although it is in the same world that titles like Final Fantasy Tactics and Vagrant Story took place in, it is somewhat different from those worlds - and as we were making Final Fantasy XII, we took liberties with it. So for example, you'll see summon creatures that are different, such as Exodus from FFV, and things like that. As we were going along, of course, we used it as a basis...But we didn't allow it to restrict the creative license.” -24.6.32.106 , 17:48 (UTC) Nov 12, 2006

Perhaps Final Fantasy XII, Vagrant Story, and Final Fantasy Tactics share the same planet but live in different universes just like the multitude of Marvel Universes that exist with different characters, cities, and technology being incredibly different in each one. I dont like the fact we're crediting a fansite although Im not saying they're wrong, but using direct quotes from the official sources would be much more credible. I might email Square-Enix to get a direct statement.

I was always of the opinion that Final Fantasy Tactics took place after Final Fantasy XII. In FFT, technology like airships and firearms are referred to as "lost": there's an airship graveyard, and the characters are unfamiliar with Mustadio's gun. You can read a game script here: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_tactics_script.txt and doing a ctrl+f for "airship" will take you straight to the relevant passage. Krawnik 01:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

XII actually suggests it's in T's future in one specific location: the 2nd page of bestiary entry of the Magick Pot enemy, which places XII longer after St. Ajora's birth than T was said to take place. Both worlds have lost technology, by the way, as 2nd page of the Dead Bones monster explores, so there's no contradiction there. XII would then seem to be a world beginning to recover from whatever cataclysm destroyed the technological world of Ajora's time. --Made2Fade 11:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images for Article

I really wish to spice up this Ivalice page with more pictures from Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and more Final Fantasy XII, and perhaps a screenshot of the VKP Headquarters in Valendia, or Duke Bardorba mansion in Vagrant Story, but I'm not sure if I have any! I ask that people with images to upload some or all so we can have a good, no, great Ivalice article! "...I truly love Yvalice!" - Alma Beoulve 私はBluerfnです 09:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)