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Please watch what you link, because several of the artists that were linked, were incorrectly linked to other meanings of the name/word. It is unnecessary to link every artist, given that an existing article on each is very unlikely. I think the artists list should be edited down to only a few of the bigger, more popular ones and the rest can go in the "list of Italo disco artists". Milk 04:35, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Attention Vorash - I am familiar with English grammar, I'm from the U.S. But obviously you didn't realize that I was not using quotation marks in the Italo Disco article, I was using the Italic marks so the songs appear slanted, to make the article more appealing to the eye. Also, very many Italo songs have lyrics about robots and space, including some songs which are listed in the article itself and the List of Italo Disco Artists like "Lectric Workers - Robot is Systematic", Dee D. Jackson "Automatic Lover", "Creatures - Other World Robots", "Models - JR Robot". I find it very hard to belive that you have never heard Italo songs about robots. I suggest you listen to the Cybernetic Broadcasting System and learn more about Italo before writing an article on it. Milk 06:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

about robots - you are not just mentioning it you writing "the major themes of italo"...MAJOR ? ......its not acceptable........

about Valerie Dore - why to write "BEST" ?? ................you can write "good" or "one of the best"........something like that...........Vorash 06:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, the page is looking good now. I gathered most of my information from Euroflash, Ishkur, and here. I'd like to say again, that I think the artists list at the bottom should be edited down to only a few of the most popular artists/songs, because it's starting to get very long. All are already listed in the "List of Italo Disco Artists" page, so it isn't necessary to have a bunch of the same ones. If no one objects I will edit the list down and expand the other one. - Milk 01:37, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

objecting !! ...we have so far a lot of space !! .and its also very hard to decide which artists are the best ...:))) Vorash 01:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Italo disco

We should discuss and decide what we want to do with this page. I read today many articles about "Italo disco", and as i understood there are large quantities of general public that actually think that "Euro disco" and "Italo disco" are the same thing. I also think that its impossible to define "Italo disco" as a style of Italian artists only , because music genre describes music not a geographical location and if artists from other counties made the same or similar music their music can be also described as an "Italo disco". Meantime i did a redirect from "euro disco" to "italo disco", but we should decide about "italo disco" definition, and in any case "Euro Disco" artists should be represented in some place, or in "Italo Disco" article or in separate "Euro Disco" article. Vorash 00:25, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I got your message about Italo vs. Euro Disco. Well I'm reading that people say Italo lasted from around '78 until '86. The stuff after '86 then became Eurodisco/dance. There's also more info here: Euroflash - eurodisco, that explains the difference. So it's not really the same thing. I think Italo is generally more happy and fun sounding, and Eurodisco/dance is more serious and focused on the beat (it also has more of a house feel to it, rather than disco).
The majority of Italo Disco is by Italian artists/producers but I agree Italo is a style that applied to artists in the rest of Europe and North America too. Thats clear in the article already though. I dont think you needed to change the notice above the list of artists, it was better with "non-Italian artists are indicated". The sentence you wrote is not very good grammar. Please try to consulate someone before you write additions in English, because many of your edits are confusing. From your profile I see that you live in Israel and your level of English is only "intermediate", so it makes sense and I'm not trying to insult you or anything. Also, the external links you added at the bottom are not good sites. Most of them look cheesy/cheap and do not provide much new, useful information than the links and info that is already here. We shouldn't link every site, if people want to look it up they can find it.Last thing, please when you work on an article, combine your edits. Instead of making a bunch of little changes in a row, you can use the "show preview" button to check what you've done and see if you left anything out. It's common courtesy to other users, and makes things neater and nicer. - Milk 03:10, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I dont understand what you talking about ?? I didn't change any notice, i added it bymyself to article. The notice that you mentioned is in "List of artists" not in article. There was not any notice in article. Also about links you very funny , you are using this site for writing article (as you said above) and after that saying that this site is cheap and useless ??????? About edits , you are talking about edits of some 30+ hours , do you really expect from me to use a "preview" for 30 hours ????????????
YOu also TOTALLY WRONG in saying "Italo lasted from around '78 until '86. The stuff after '86 then became Eurodisco/dance". I don't understand how you can write such a thing ????? One of the most popular and most successful(120mil albums sold) Disco groups was German Modern Talking and they became famous in Decemeber 1984 with " You're my heart, you're my soul "!! One of the most popular and successful "Old" Disco groups in the World was German Boney M and they became famous in 1978 !!! Probably the most popular and most successful Disco group in the World and in Europe was Swedish ABBA and it became famous in 1974 !! So how could it be that "stuff after '86 became Eurodisco" if euro disco started at least from 1974 and new synth-Euro-Disco started at least in 1984 ?????? Vorash 00:48, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Also don't post your messages on my talk page without any connection to text that i posted on your talk page !!! If i started the topic on your page it should be continued there, so other people can see what was posted before your message.Vorash 01:38, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunatly you probably even didn't bother to read a "cheap" article on "chello.pl" which probably the oldest "Italo Disco" article on the Internet(created in 1999) and clearly states that LaBIonda is a "Prehistory" of Italo , but it was not an Italo !!! Vorash 04:36, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) YOu should also read German Wikipedia Lnk1 and Link2.They clearly state the difference between "Italian Disco" which started in mid 70s and synthesizer-driven "Italo Disco" which started in 1980-1982. Vorash 05:29, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I base my writings off of a general consensus from different people on the forum of Cybernetic Broadcasting System (along with what I gather as a summary from other websites). People there are mostly from Europe and they know what they are talking about. There, they said Italo "generally" lasted from 78-86. Yes there were others after 86, but it wasn't such a big deal by then. So I am not "totally wrong". ABBA is not Italo, they are straight Disco/Pop. About the "preview" button, try and make your best effort at using it, I have been on Wikipedia for hours and have combined edits into one posting. Making 10 edits in a row and only changing one thing at a time is not acceptable. Also, you yourself have stated that Italo Disco is not just Italians, so why would you move non-Italian artists to Eurodisco? That makes no sense, and you did not ask before doing that. It is courteous to ask before making major changes to the article, as I have done before. I feel like you are making changes to the article based on your personla beliefs and making it fit your description, which should not be done. You need to have a wide variety of opinions and information on there. - Milk 20:51, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I didn't moved the artists to Eurodisco !! I just removed them from list in article but they continue to stay in "List of artist" !. I just did it because of your complaints that list in article is too BIG ! Vorash 23:52, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) Also if you want to write a serious article you shold listen to songs by yourself and to decide what was Italian Disco and what was an "Italo". La Bionda's "One for me, one for you" from 1978 is a pure classical Disco.
Also about Preview , you cant use it for Hours because if somebody else changes an article during this time all your edits will disappear (because wikipedia script will not allow you to save your edits after someone else changed the page ) !!! Thats why {{inuse}} template was invented. YOu probabaly don't know it. But i can't use this template 24 hours a day, because i make only small edits.Vorash 00:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I listened for some 50 Italian disco songs of period 1978-1981 and i didn't find there even one Italian song that can be called "electronic dance". Only songs from 1982 are "electronic dance", so if your claim is true please give me some examples of songs Vorash 08:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I also don't understand about what courtesy you talking about, you didn't ask my permission when you removed artists added by me in January 2005 ....And what is this sentence "making changes to the article based on your personla beliefs and making it fit your description, which should not be done" about ?? Didn't you create all this article based ONLY on your personal beliefs ??? So far 95% of the text in the article represent only your personal beliefs.Vorash 09:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Vorash, you are making point-of-view edits. Why would you mention Kraftwerk and Vangelis starting electronic music in the Italo disco article. Yes they did create the base for it, but they are already mentioned in many other articles on electronic music. This article is only supposed to be about italo directly. Same with mentioning Michael Jackson and Madonna?! They do not apply to italo music whatsoever. Italo did not start 1982 like you think. If you look at most websites, they'll say that it started at the end of the 70s in '78-'79. Also, it is relevant to mention the creator of the term Italo Disco, even though it may not be traceable, it is mentioned on several, credible websites that he did "officially" create it. You are being immature in your editing. And for the last time, you need to improve your English grammar before you write articles on the internet. Leave it to the native English speakers first. - Milk 06:01, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's not necessary to mention a names, but it should be mentioned that Italo-Disco as well as the whole modern Electronic pop music originated from Electropop of 70s. Mentioning Moroder's "first song" is incorrect, because nobody knows for sure what was/were first Italo song/songs. Same for 1982, not necessary to mention a names, but electronic dance music popularity in 1982 should be mentioned, because it helped to Italo-Disco music artists. About 1978 , i didn't see even one site that says that Italo-Disco started in 1978. They say that Italian Disco became popular starting from 1978 La Bionda's song, but nobody say that it Italo-Disco was originated it that year. Many sites say that true "Italo-Disco" sound apeared between 1981 and 1982 and they also give an examples, but your opinion is not based on any examples of songs. This article is about synth-pop disco, not about Disco of 70s.Vorash 06:34, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As of ZYX i think it could be mentioned that term "Italo-Disco" became well known in Europe due to ZYX. Vorash 06:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And for a last time, stop posting you messages on my talk page, without any connection to topic that is discussed here on Italo Disco talk page !!!!! Vorash 07:06, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
La Bionda's "One for me, one for you" is pure Disco of 70s. If you sure that Italo Disco started in 1978 why you can't provide an examples of songs ???You prefer to base your opinion on some "Amateur" sites, that you call "Credible" ,but i think it's not enough for writing a serious article. Vorash 09:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

First of all, you were the one who mentioned Moroders song, and now you changed your mind. I think that was a good addition, because The Chase is synthpop-disco. Secondly, I am posting on your talk page, with a connection to this page. I wrote the headline "italo article" so you'd know, as other people have done. Why are you getting mad for that? You posted on my talk page. There isn't one year that a genre can just start all of a sudden. They slowly start being created over 2 or 3 years, which is why italo started to begin around 78. But it only really got going in 82-83. Look at this site: [1], they mention that La Bionda, Righeira, Azoto, and Vivien Vee released stuff in 78-79. Yes, it does sound more like traditional disco rather than synth/italo but it still is the beginnings. We shouldn't overlook that. - Milk 15:40, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you say that it sounds more like like traditional Disco why you so insist to mention it in article ??? This is not an article about Italian Disco it's an article about style Italo Disco !! I can agree to mention Lia Bionda if you will write clearly in article that La Bionda was a Disco !! But i can't agree to mention La Bionda as a starting point of Italo Disco, because its not true. Vorash 16:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If your theory about Italo development from 1978 to 1982 is true, there sould be a songs that proving it. I listened to all songs on chello.pl starting from 1978 and up to 1982 but non of them are Itallo ! YOu theory should be supported by facts.I think that Italians didn't invented synth-Disco,i think they copied it in 1982 from other artists in Europe and US. For example British Imagination produced in 1981 hits like "Flashback" that were very similar to Euro-Disco/Italo-Disco songs. Vorash 20:11, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beginning of Italo

now the article is making sense. italo started with disco groups in the late 70s like munich machine - "space warrior", 1979 / neftali's beast - "land of the drums", 1980 / o.r.s. - body to body LP, 1978 / paper doll - "get down boy", 1979 / kano - "i'm ready", 1980 / sylvi foster - "if you are master", 1980 / la bionda "one for me", peter jacques "fire night dance", azoto "san salvador", giorgio moroder like they said they were all influences for the real italo, when it began in 1982. then it became full italo with the synthpop style. [unsigned by User:Milk from IP 68.23.98.212]]

[edit] Italo Disco "style" /term

Italo disco cannot be a style !!!!! How could it be that Kano's "I'm Ready", Koto's "Dragon's Legend" Giorgio Moroder's "Chase", Baby's Gang's "Disco Maniac", Lectric Workers's "The Garden" and Fancy's "Lady of ice" are all the exact same music "style" ??????Vorash 17:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If Italo disco is not a style, then it cannot undergo a revival. So, which is more appropriate: to call it a style or to say that the music of Legowelt et al is "also called Italo disco"?—Theo (Talk) 28 June 2005 10:58 (UTC)

"Legowelt" is not "Italo" at all. Its more like electro-house. Streaming "Italo" on the radio/web radio and playing it clubs is not a revival. "Italo" was played in clubs and on the dance radio stations in many countries in 90s too. The passage about 2000 "Italo" revival is wrong. Maybe there is a "revival" in USA and UK, but in Europe and in other countries this music was played in 90s too. Vorash 28 June 2005 13:03 (UTC)

I have rephrased that text slightly and merged it into the paragraph about 1998-2005. I have used the phrase "renewed interest" although I am unclear why that is not synonymous with "revival".—Theo (Talk) 28 June 2005 13:20 (UTC)

I think that important info should be added to history of "Italo Disco" term. "Italo Disco" term originally described an Italian dance music, because "The Best Of Italo Disco vol. 1" included only Italian disco songs from 1982. But in their further volumes ZYX started to mix Italian artists with other European artists, even so the majority of songs in these compilations were Italian. That's how all this Italo-Euro confusion began, and thats why people started to use "Italo-Disco" term as synonym for word "Euro Disco".Vorash 28 June 2005 14:29 (UTC)

I think we should try to avoid telling people what does it mean exactly......we should only describe a story in article and give them possible meanings of word "Italo-Disco". This whole "Italo-Disco" issue is very complicated and confusing, and nobody knows for sure what it is !. Some people think that "Italo" is a "style", some think that "Italo" is a "feel", some may say that "Italo" refers to Italian artists only, some actually think that Italo and Euro are the same thing, some may say that it's a "trade mark" of ZYX. So the best solution will be to present in article different POVs. Vorash 28 June 2005 21:17 (UTC)

[edit] Lead

I think the article should be reverted to the original opening paragraph. Then once into the article we can discuss whether it is a marketing term or not, and other confusions (besides, as of now that info is repeated). Even if it was a marketing term invented by ZYX, the same goes for "electroclash" today. Larry Tee invented it, and people started using it as a term for the genre/style. With the revival issue, people obviously did play it through the 90's but a "revival" constitutes a large, broadbased, renewed interest. Many different sites say Legowelt incorporates an italo style to his music, which upon listening, i agree. As for italo being a style, true many artists within the genre may sound quite different than others but like with an genre, there are different types or "flavors" that go with different artists. There are sub-genres that form, like with "spacesynth". So italo is just the broad, collective term for all the artists that have an italo style. The things that make up italo are listed in the article. If the song has a disco-type beat, has lots of synths, maybe has vocoders, is about love, robots, space, has the catchy melody, maybe has female singers during the chorus, then it pretty much is italo. All of these are traits of the genre. - Milk 3 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)

Rather than simply reverting, how about suggesting your ideal opening paragraph here on the talk page. Then we can discuss it and reach a consensus so that we avoid getting into any edit war. The lead paragraph(s) should provide a summary of what follows.—Theo (Talk) 3 July 2005 18:11 (UTC)

Don't you understand, Milk, that your description " disco-type beat (4/4), has lots of synths (electronic), maybe has vocoders, is about love or robots or space, has the catchy melody, maybe has female singers during the chorus" is suitable for every dance song in 80s-90s-00s ? So all dance songs are "Italo" ? Thats what you saying ? Vorash 4 July 2005 01:16 (UTC)

So, what does differentiate "Italo Disco" from any other musical grouping?—Theo (Talk) 4 July 2005 11:37 (UTC)

Only place:Italy and time:1980s and of cause it should be electronic dance music. - I can't find any other parameters. Vorash 4 July 2005 12:42 (UTC)

Dance 80s genre: electronic dance music of 80s. (according to dance music article "Dance music is music composed, played, or both, specifically to accompany social dancing.")

  • Euro disco (sub genre of Dance 80s): electronic dance music made in Europe in 80s.
    • Italo disco (sub genre of Euro disco) : electronic dance music made in Italy in 80s.

Vorash 4 July 2005 13:19 (UTC)

So how does one handle the several non-Italian bands that purport to be creating Italo Disco in the late 1990s and early 2000s? Is there a different term for this? —Theo (Talk) 4 July 2005 16:13 (UTC)

Can you please give some examples of songs from 1990s and 2000s that in your opinion are an "Italo" ? Vorash 4 July 2005 16:56 (UTC)

According to the article "releases in 1998 by Legowelt, and in 2000 by Jeans Team, Bangkok Impact and Hong Kong Counterfeit were among those that fuelled renewed interest". I have heard none of these but it seems that someone considers them to be "Italo".—Theo (Talk) 4 July 2005 18:19 (UTC)

Well,i will try to listen to them. Vorash 4 July 2005 18:25 (UTC)

Well the opening paragraph that was there before seemed very good. It said that Italo was an electronic dance music genre, popular in the 80's, with most of the artists coming from Italy, but as stated does not necessarily mean they were all from Italy. In the beginning Italo was used for only Italian artists but soon after was used for other European artists and North American ones too. My description above does not describe all 80's dance music because the major difference is that Italo sounded very 80's BUT had more of a disco beat, rather than the other synth-pop, dance beats. It's hard to describe in words. You just have to hear the songs and then you'll get a picture of what makes up the sound. I think we're just making everything too complicated. The article is an almost perfect description & history of Italo except for the new opening paragraph. I have heard the artists mentioned under the "renewal" and they do have Italo stylings. - Milk 5 July 2005 18:28 (UTC)

I have now had a listen and there is a commonality of sound that suggests to me that Italo Disco is a style, albeit a loose one. — Theo (Talk) 5 July 2005 19:19 (UTC)

Some songs of Jeans Team are an electro, "The Floor" and "Traveller" of Bangkok Impact is also electro. Discogs members think that this music is a combination of styles like Electro-Disco, Electro-Synthpop. Allmusic says Legowelt: Electronica, Electro-Techno, Neo-Electro, Jeans Team:Neo-Electro Vorash 5 July 2005 19:55 (UTC)

I reverted the intro to a previous one like we said. Is this okay with everyone? I also think that changing the picture to the original Best of Italo Disco, Vol. 1 (which can be found on Discogs) would be cool, but it's not a big deal. - Milk 18:11, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Seems good to me. I fixed the 1983/1984 switch that was also lost with the reversion. I agree that the first compilation would be a better illustration. —Theo (Talk) 18:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually I changed the date. On Discogs it lists the comp as coming out in 1983 but I've seen it elswhere as being 1984, so I'm sure which one is correct. It's not a big deal either way. - Milk 04:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

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Proppibly the only Radio station on earth 'Radio Stad Den Haag' that never stopt playing 24/24h Italo tracks since the 80's: http://www.italobeachparty.nl/_sgt/m2_1.htm feydey 20:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Clarification

I think substantial work needs to be done in clarifying Disco (that happened to be by European artists such as Abba)/ Italo Disco/ HiNRG and Euro Disco. The lines of this lineage are horribly muddied. I think Lime would take offense to being called ItaloDisco as they were Canadian and their music has NONE of the strained English that earmarks the genre. Furthermore, Lime's lineage is then muddied to the extent that they can't be seen as rightful influence on the emerging house scene that they truly were (study Angel Eyes and On The Grid if you have doubts about this). Also please see the Italo House page for distinction regarding usage of bad English in the music, as this defining factor was also present in most of the true Italo Disco records. Also, don't believe everything you read and be careful about assuming musical lineages based on the liner notes of exploitive compilation cd's. I have my doubts about zyx genuinely labeling any form of music, as it's not exactly the most respected label in the world, you know? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.136.203 (talk) 22:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

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