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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Comment 1.2 Kurd or not? 1.3 Turkish and Kurdish or Kurdish and Turkish :) 1.4 Some of the article doesn't make a great deal of sense in English 1.5 Negative points

[edit] Comments

[edit] Comment

"...İnönü served for ten years as leader of the opposition before returning to power after the coup of 1960."

He returned in what function and untill when?--Cigor 12:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Prime Minister. For 4 years, I believe, until 1965. Aaрон Кинни (t) 01:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurd or not?

Was İnönü Kurdish or not? Or was he just born in a Kurdish area? If either is the case, it needs to be recorded as a fact and not edited out. Folks at 137 11:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

There is no clear argument which proves that Inonu was of Turkish or Kurdish ethnicity. But if you ask my opinion, he was a Turkish man. Kaygtr 00:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's good that we don't ask for your opinion. If anyone has a good source showing his ethnicity then please edit it here. Ozgur Gerilla 23:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I repeat, there is no source about Inonu's ethnicity. So the argument about his family should be deleted. --Kaygtr 17:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe some user can provide this source. But until then I think it will be right to delete the information about his ethnicity. Ozgur Gerilla 22:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Info about his ethnicity is deleted, since there's no evident information to prove the existence of his kurdish origins. Wikipedia is not the place to spread misinformation in order to push your political agenda. Kertenkelebek^Ⓣ 16:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Well actually republican people love İsmet Pasha but mild natiolists think he was unseccessful and extreme nationalists think that he was both unsuccessful and unproper (because he had a mixed identity). I have extreme ideals too but we can't blame him because of his parents. On the other hand he was not a good commander and he was not a talented leader (of course he was more talented than Tayyip Erdoğan :)). Deliogul 21:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish and Kurdish or Kurdish and Turkish :)

That's great !!! Of course, we should be a bit patriarchal. Father comes first ! Meanwhile, my granduncle is an acquaintance of Erdal Inonu and they live in the same neighborhood. So, it's time to pay a visit to my granduncle.. :) So far as I know, Erdal Inonu is suffering from an illness, but if I will be able to have the opportunity to have conversation with him, I will ask some questions regarding our issue. About his father's native language and ethnic origins etc. Whenever I will get new information, I will share it here, but that can take a couple of weeks. Kizzuwatna 03:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hehehe, I couldn't help myself. ;-) I would love to hear what he says, please keep us updated! —Khoikhoi 03:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: I actually reverted myself. —Khoikhoi 03:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

That's quite true. Otherwise, everyone would understand vice versa. Anyhow, changing the sequence will not make him more Turkish or Kurdish. --Kizzuwatna 03:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, of course. —Khoikhoi 03:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some of the article doesn't make a great deal of sense in English

I've edited it to be a little clearer where I understood what the article was trying to say. In other places I've had to leave it as it was, even though I don't think it makes sense, because I'm not sure what the article is trying to say. Notably:

"After World War I he passed the Anatolia to join the Turkish nationalist movement. After the default of Ali Fuat Cebesoy to organize the local Turkish rebellious troops, he became the general commander of the western Turkish army and remained in this position during the War of Independence."

I don't know what 'passed the Anatolia' means. Does it mean he travelled through the region of Anatolia?

"the default of Ali Fuat Cebesoy to organize the local Turkish rebellious troops" doesn't make sense to me either. Does it mean that Ali Fuat Cebesoy failed to organize the local Turkish troops, so İnönü did it instead? Or what? In English, default usually means either an obligation which is unfulfilled, e.g. "to default on a loan", or something which happens because of inaction, e.g. "the default option". I've never seen "default" used in the way it is in this article, you can't have a default of a person; a person has to do the defaulting.

You could perhaps say Ali "defaulted on his obligation to organise the local Turkish troops", but I still don't think it's very good English. I think the article means something like: "after Ali failed to organise the local Turkish Turkish troops". Or perhaps, "When Ali Fuat Cebesoy failed to rise to the challenge of organising the rebellious local troops, İnönü took the task on himself, and became the general commander of the western Turkish army, a position he remained in during the War of Independence." But it could also mean something like "After Ali Fuat Cebesoy failed to control the local Turkish rebellious troops, İnönü became the general commander..." It depends on whether Ali Fuat Cebesoy was a rebel himself who just wasn't very good at organising, or whether he was actually trying to stop the rebellion.

Not knowing enough about the subject, I'm asking someone who does know more about it to tidy up these sentences, please.

Thanks,

--Merlinme 16:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Negative points

According to Wikipedia in French, Inönü was responsible for a 1942 tax that especially hit Jews and Christians, refused to allow Rumanian Jews refuge in Turkey, put his face on coins and stamps, made the posting of his picture in schools and government offices obligatory, and enjoyed the official title of Milli Sef, i.e. boss of the nation.

Maybe this stuff should go into the English article.