Talk:Islamic feminism

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[edit] Totally disputed

I added this tag because Qasim Amin was from turn of the century (1900) Egypt... maybe the term Islamic feminism started in the 1990s but feministic Islams started earlier even according to this article. gren グレン 13:10, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Gren, I'm not sure you can add the disputed tag because of a "see also," and what exactly is the objection to its inclusion? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:46, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

I'm removing the tag as there's no discussion about it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:41, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

I probably could have just fixed that earlier... see what you think of my changes. Qasim Amin was turn of the century (19th) so to say it started in the 1990s is silly. However, I don't think it was called "Islamic feminism" until later. Well, tell me what you think. gren グレン 08:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks good, Gren, thanks. I've tweaked it slightly. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 08:31, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

WHat are the source for the See also lists? I can understand how most these people are feminists, but I can't see how there are "Islamic". (Esp. Irshad Manji, who in her book tries to argue that Prophet muhammad is very much like Bin Laden)Bless sins 04:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Would that mean she's not Islamic? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

As in she (or some feminists could be he), considers themselves secular and draw inspiration from secular sources. "Islamic" would be some one religious drawing inspiration from the Quran and have appreciation for the Islamic tradition.

Irshad Manji, according me, is NOT Islamic, (as she endlessly tries to demonize Prophet Muhammad and twists the Quran to show whatever she wants to show). Ofcourse, that's original research. But i could probably some up with many sources to back up my claims.Bless sins 04:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I am not sure that your opinion counts all that much. I agree that the vast majority of Muslims would probably agree with you. In fact I might agree with you too. But she is a Muslim, she calls herself a Muslim, she says what she is doing is Islamic. She is an Islamic feminist even if her idea of Islam is weird. It is not for Wikipedia to start takfiring people. Lao Wai 07:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Its a moot point since the page must, for neutrality, discuss feminist who are not muslem but whose focus is islam. You may not remove a reference to any promenent feminist whose focus is islam, even if she isnt islamic herself. Of course, you may subdivide the list into feminists claiming to be muslems and those claiming to not be muslems; however, such subdivisions are always done by self identification on wikipedia. There are plenty of liberal christians who say GWB aint a good chrisitian, but that doesnt matter when it comes to his article.

I agree that Irshad Manji should not be on the list. According to the entry: "Islamic feminism is defined by Islamic scholars as being more radical than secular feminism,[1] and as being anchored within the discourse of Islam with the Qur'an as its central text." Irshad Manji certainly does not regard the Qur'an as a central text for her feminism - and that is the difference.