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[edit] Discrepancy with Welding

Welding#History currently claims the pillar was erected around 310. --P3d0 17:17, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] clarification required

can somebody clarify why does it mention kumargupta to have erected the pillar in introduction part while the article says it was erected by vikramaditya in the description part. nids 16:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

According to this [1], it was probably erected by Chandragupta II.--RF 17:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] delete false claims

listen, can we delete the part wherein it is claimed that the composition and art of making this steel is verified and similar steel is made. i know of various such claims throughout 90s which later proved nothing. high phosphorous just helps the steel in rusting early, when used via contemporary methods.

also it has been a topic of my deep interest. germany has spent millions in order to find a replica of this steel. moreover IIT Bombay set up its own team in 1992 with the sole purpose of deciphering the art. they claimed that several times. even BHU set up its own committee.

i know about the Indian engineering institutes and their skyhigh claims, for i am presently a part of it. we shall restrict ourselves to not mention that the art of making this steel is decoded till it is perfectly found that the claims are right. and how can they explain about the size of pillar which no furnace can still manufacture.

let us provide them as alternate theories and not claim them to be true here. waiting for criticism, but hope that none criticizes. nids 18:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

If the claims are wrong, then that should be marked as such. Please include also some references in the article which support your position. (Some of the stuff in the scientific section is already poorly sourced.) Regards. --RF 18:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

for what shall i include some references. you already pointed out that the stuff in the scientific section is poorly sources. i just said that we can put them as alternate theories instead of saying that we are SUCCESSFUL in making the same steel. nids 19:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It would be nice if some references could be included in the article about the current status of the research. Just edit the article, with accordance to the usual wikipedia standards for neutrality etc. --RF 19:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ok. please revert my edits after say 15 minutes, which you do not find NPOV. it is important to change the current version because in other related topics, like Nine Unknown Men, it was said that the secret is now known. nids 19:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the disclaimer. It suffices if the text makes it clear that the theories are disputed, which I think it now does. --RF 22:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I dont think that the current version explicitly says that the theories are disputed. may be a disclaimer at the top is must. nids 22:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Please look at other wikipedia pages. Can you show me another page where there is such a disclaimer? It should suffice if the point is made in the text itself. Cheers --RF 22:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, can you find some references that support your point, this would be good for the article. If you think it still not clear enough, just edit the article. But edit the text itself, a "disclaimer" is not a solution. --RF 22:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

what i am saying is that a lot of hearsay information has been added to it which the article does not deserve. i have grown up on claims with similar iron being manufactured in technical institutes of india. my simple point is, if you are keeping the sentence that it was claimed that similar iron was manufactured in jamshedpur in 1920s, than in that case, havent we verified that for last 80 years. and if it is true, why were the people still searching for the true way.

i think that the people who claim to have found out the truth need more citations rather than me. i can point out to complete theises wherein they claim the step by step procedure of manufacturing such iron, but it has been proven wrong. and even germany as a nation has spent some good money into it. (i will give you the literary source for this, but this should not be too hard to conceive).

if we want to keep those theories, we should add something of that sort. maybe a bit more clear version to current scientific view is required. nids 22:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

current version is better.nids 22:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

current version is fine for me. this topic can be closed now. please do watch it as i am going to sleep now. (its 4:30 am in my time zone) ZZzzzzz nids 22:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

There is a large amount of published literature on the Delhi Iron Pillar by Balasubramaniam [2] and if one really reads this, then a good idea of the state of current research can be understood. Do not believe all the claims and refutations in the internet. Go to serious original ariticles in original journals. 16 Sep 06—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Balaiitk (talk • contribs) .

This is just a theisis by a professor and cannot be trusted as true. This theisis must either be peer-reviewed by notable sources, or he should be able to produce similar metal on his own. You would also like to see some of the ambitious claims made by Zakir Naik, Stephen Knapp or Prof. Purushottam Nagesh Oak. You are free to add a brief discription on what he thinks is a possible process for manufacture.nids(♂) 00:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted a few of your changes Balaiitk. Your username implies that you are yourself bala or close to him. If you want to go for such large scale edits, you will have to provide neutral third party verifiable refrences.nids(♂) 01:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)