Talk:Inverness-shire

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[edit] "County of Inverness" and "Inverness-shire"

I note the leader/intro now lists County of Inverness ahead of Inverness-shire, in some contradiction to the article title. Can we have an explanation here? Laurel Bush 10:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC).

Well, County of Inverness and Inverness-shire mean the same thing, so this is technically correct. Owain (talk) 17:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

For the first time in my life I agree with Owain: they are synonyms. Officially it was the County of Inverness: "Inverness-shire" was a Victorian neologism. --Mais oui! 19:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I wonder. I suspect one (County of inverness) is a local government area (and, earlier in history, a local administration area with different boundaries), while the other is a postal address for a similar area. Anyway, seems to me that putting County of Inverness ahead of Inverness-shire in the article should be accompanied by a formal proposal to move the article to "County of Inverness". (I note the order of the terms is now reversed, however, the reverse of what it was when I opened this talk section.) Laurel Bush 09:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC).

There is no need to move this article; While both names officially refer to the same thing, the average person in the street wouldn't use the technical "County of Inverness" in common usage they would use Inverness-shire. Owain (talk) 10:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

OK - if we agree re current order of terms in article. But if we want reverse order then article should be moved. Personally, I am willing to work either way. Laurel Bush 10:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC).

Works for me. The infobox has the "County of ..." version (as they all should) and the article body mentions both in the opening sentence but uses the proper noun from then on. That seems the best solution. Owain (talk) 10:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1891

I note the article's current use of the date "1891". I guess this is about effective implementation of an earlier (1889) act of parliament, but the article is not thus referenced or specific. Perhaps it is the date of first elections to the county council? Or the date that recommendations of a report of a commission (a commission established under the act) were accepted (but perhaps with ammendments)? Laurel Bush 13:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC).

Its the date the boundary changes, as recommended by the commission established by the 1889 Act, came into effect. It seems that the councils were up and running in 1890, but their boundaries were only settled a year later.

The changes for Inverness-shire are detailed here:[1]. There had been an earlier Act of 1870 adjusting the boundaries between Elginshire (as it was) and Inverness-shire.

This gives background and a reference document, if you can get hold of it: [2]. According to [3] Table II. Explanation to the difference between the Civil Counties, Previous and Subsequent to Alteration, 1891 in the supplement to volume 1 of the 1891 census lists the differences before and after. See also note 2 here [4]

The propsals were apparently put into effect by Order in Council [5]

Here are some other references to boundary changes in 1891: [6], [7],

[8], [9] Lozleader 14:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Cheers. Looks like you have done a lot of useful info searching. Thanks. Laurel Bush 11:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC).