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Watch out for the stub article Interstate 405. - --64.169.88.40 08:53, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] To San Diego?

I have made a few corrections to this article already...about the 405 going all the way to San Diego. But, before I made any more, or deleted or moved refernces to San Diego, I wanted to get some input.

I believe that the information about the freeway going through San Diego county should be included on the page for I-5, not the 405...since, eventhough it is signed as the San Diego Freeway, it DOES NOT go to San Diego. The terminus of the 405, and it's joining back up with the 5 is in Irvine...many miles from San Diego.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for catching that error. It might be worth adding a sentence that explicitly explains that, despite the name, it does not go to San Diego. Cheers, -Willmcw 06:44, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
That was my bad for merging this with San Diego Freeway. Maybe this merge should be reversed. Any ideas? --SPUI (talk) 12:26, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm, how about moving stuff about the I-5 part to Interstate 5 and putting at the top San Diego Freeway redirects here. For the part south of the El Toro Y, see Interstate 5.? --SPUI (talk) 13:07, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I do think that this article should be split. I-405 ends at the El Toro Y, but legally the San Diego Freeway includes both 405 and 5.
  • I think that the 405 CA page should only have the part of the SD freeway that is actually on I-405. The rest should go to I-5... there is more info needed on that page about the southern ca area. --16:09, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree. The San Diego Freeway generally refers to the 405 section anyway in daily use for SoCal locals. I suggest we keep the San Diego Freeway and any redirects aimed at I-405 and put a small blurb on I-5 mentioning the San Diego Freeway name for the south of Irvine section.Gateman1997 03:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Might I also suggest that we reword the first sentence to something along the lines of "Interstate 405, commonly referred to as the San Diego Freeway, is a ? mi long loop route of Interstate 5 that travels from....." You get the idea. I believe the article emphasis should be on I-405. San Diego Freeway is just a name that has little meaning to anyone outside the LA basin.Gateman1997 03:13, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
  • So what is the final decision? Keep San Diego Freeway redirected to this I-405 article, or have it on its own separate article? Based on the comments, it looks like the former is the preferred choice. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:56, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


  • The San Diego Freeway portion of Interstate 5, and it is as deserving of an article as the Golden State Freeway and Santa Ana Freeway are. I think that it should be split to two articles, one being Interstate 405(California) which would be this article and the other being San Diego Freeway(Interstate 5), which would be a similar article to the Golden State Freeway and Santa Ana Freeway articles. San Diego Freeway would send you to a disambiguation page linking to the two articles. Theunknown42 21:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with the consensus here. The San Diego Freeway is defined as I-5 from Downtown San Diego to the El Toro Y and from the El Toro Y to I-5 in Mission Hills along the 405. And as for the original question: the 405 does not go to San Diego, but signs from Alameda Street to its southern terminus say "San Diego" on them. Sort of like the 405 from Culver City north and all along the 170. Floydspinky71 02:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] beltway?

I propose rewording the aritce to emphasize the point that the 405 is a beltway of the 5, not as being "partly designated Interstate 405, and part of Interstate 5 south of the El Toro Y." It's not "your bad" for merging it with the SD Freeway...it is, afterall, signed as the SD Freeway...

  • I don't think "beltway" is the appropriate term to descrive the 405. A beltway would imply a loop route around a major area, like the San Antonio and Houston loops. I think the word you're looking for is bypass Floydspinky71 02:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I concur with Floydspinky71's analysis. Another example of a beltway is the Capital Beltway around Washington, D.C. The point is that a beltway is essentially a circle, and the San Diego Freeway clearly does not go in a circle! --Coolcaesar 02:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How long is it?

Went to the article wondering just how long it was, since on my last trip to California it seemed forever long... but the information isn't on the page! Can someone seek out and add? (I would, but I don't know where to look -- I do the Illinois state highways stuff). --Rob 03:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The I-405 is 73 miles long; the entire segment of the San Diego Freeway itself (which begins with the merge with SR-163 and the I-5 in San Diego all the way to the I-5/I-405 merge in the San Fernando Valley) is more than 150 miles long. --User:RobDon33 19:37, 30 August 2005

[edit] "The 405"

To a (former) resident of the area, it is jarring to see this freeway referred to as anything except "the 405". I travel around the country alot; different regions have their individual argots for roads. In SoCal, it's always "the <number>", never "I-405", and rarely "the Golden State Freeway". If you ask for directions, you'll hear "It's easy: take the 405 to the 605, to the 5 past downtown and hop onto the 101." "The 101" is not legally part of the Interstate system, but that's a distinction without a difference to a local.

I added the note to the initial sentence, but didn't change the rest of the article on the theory that all articles about Interstates should be consistent.

DanielVonEhren 15:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

You are completely right; however, the main reason there are Santa Ana Freeway and Golden State Freeway is because they are more detailed articles pertaining to the portions of Interstate 5 between Downtown L.A. and the El Toro Y and between California State Route 99 and Downtown L.A. respectively. See my proposal in the above discussion for my idea. Theunknown42 21:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed your note. It looks like a clean, simple answer is elusive. :) I like your suggestion of a disambiguation page—for me, it would have clarified a confusing situation. No wonder people call the "the five" and "the four-oh-five".  :)
DanielVonEhren 00:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction?

The opening paragraph says:

I-405 is a portion of the San Diego Freeway. The San Diego Freeway is Interstate 5 south of the El Toro Y.

I thought the 405 was the San Diego Freeway. The 405 ends at the Y when it merges with the 5. Isn't the 5 called "the Golden State"?

I'd be more assertive here, but (as outlined in the previous note) if you live there, all you ever hear is "the four-oh-five" and "the five".

DanielVonEhren 15:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The San Diego Freeway is all of I-405 plus I-5 south of the 405. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)
Looking closely at maps.google.com, I see you are right. The 405 is labelled as The San Diego Freeway way up at the Getty and also way down near Laguna Niguel. Up in the San Fernando Valley, the five is called The Golden State Freeway; just north of the Y, the five's label says The Santa Ana Freeway. Any idea where the Golden State changes into the Santa Ana?
DanielVonEhren 03:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Between US-101 and I-405, I-5 is the Santa Ana Freeway. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)

[edit] Cleanup?

Ok, if this article requires cleaup to conform with the Interstate Highways project, it will pretty much bean an overhaul of the page, the routebox will be changed, an exit box will be made, etc etc. It'll look like pretty much every other 3di in every other state. BUT, this article currently conforms to the California Highways Project, the routebox does and other stuff. I'm not that familiar with it, which is why i haven't changed this yet. I don't know what to do with this. Any ideas on a common ground? I have some, but they're jumbled in my mind and I don't feel like sorting them out and writing it all out. MPD01605 23:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Um oops. Really the structure is supposed to conform to CA... because the original purpose of the Interstate project was to have a multi-state routebox... and then it grew... so any intrastate Interstate in CA, WA, KY, NH, MO, OK, MD, and NY (I think that's it) is not part of the Interstate WP. However the mileage table and stuff like that wouldn't hurt. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:30, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Communities Served

The communities served section is showing up wrong for me. I am using Mozilla 1.7.12 and the lists of communities has been pushed down leaving white space with only images on the left. Is anyone else experiencing this? --Hetar 08:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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