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Is there a WikiMediaRadio project?

Quinobi 20:13, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There is a WikiProject Radio. --PhantomS 16:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

There should be more detail about the Microsoft and Real Audio formats since many sites still opt for those closed formats.

PolyGnome 01:09, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be ... but ... as a free and open environment, Wikipedia is more atuned to , shall we say, less proprietary structures and methods. Not that Real Audio is not ... or is it? Nevertheless, as is objectively declaired, the Ogg Vorbis format might be a bit more meaningful. But hey... that's just one point of view. 65.240.51.122 05:57, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

agreed with Polygnome, but the reasons behind this usage have to be explained (computer monopolistic position of MS, streaming monopolistic historic position of real audio format, and not QoS (quality of services)) would be good idea to link to the software patent / free software debate. Izwalito 16:24, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Legal Situation 2 What to do with this paragraph? 3 spam, pov 4 Internet Radio Project 5 huj 6 Finding and playing an audio stream 7 Virtual Tuner 8 Correct capitalization of Internet radio and Web radio 9 External links to radio stations ? 10 Clarifying Terms

[edit] Legal Situation

some information about the copyright situation would do the article good.

Agreed. There should be information about the Legality of Internet Radio.

[edit] What to do with this paragraph?

I didn't found the origin of that, and i do not know if the quote is a verbatim copy, but it is inaccurate!

Dang Thi Thu Huong, writing a PhD on internet radio at Bournemouth University, UK, argues that internet radio is a particular form of media in itself, and cannot simply be the rebroadcast of on-air radio programmes via the Internet. She suggests this definition: "Web radio is a hybrid of radio and the Internet, featuring professional output including live radio programmes online and/or archived radio programmes online, accompanied and supported by some text and/or images, and interactive communication via the World Wide Web."

What part is inaccurate? Can you make it more accurate? ThanksE. abu Filumena 02:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

it doesn't fit with wikipedia. while Huong may be writing a dissertation, wikipedia is not, and the definition is very awkward. sounds like self-promotion to me. -65.30.156.9 19:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] spam, pov

Is there a problem with some of the exteranl links? Mikereichold 02:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

If it was clearer how Mercora IMRadio contributed to Internet radio as whole, then it wouldn't sound like spam.

Was this the first use of Ogg Vorbis, a transportable satellite internet broadcast system, and open source software over the internet?

Was Mercora IMRadio the first one to pay out royalties to copyright collectives for use over the internet?

These would be highly significant and need citations to be verifiable. Larryk12308 19:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)LarryK12308

[edit] Internet Radio Project

I'm currently working on a proposal for an Internet Radio Project to help try and organize some of this stuff. Feel free to stop by and give some input. Randomgenius 04:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] huj

"The virtual tuner service that has established itself as a market leader with the most reliable set of links to the broadcast urls and that has created the largest aggregation of broadcasts with over 7,800 worldwide is Vtuner." ... sounded like an ad to me and made me tune out

[edit] Finding and playing an audio stream

I am wondering whether there exist any Windows-compatible media players that allow a keyword search and playing of audio streams, other than the Windows Media Player. I do not mean the players limited to a specific format or a specific group of stations, but rather players capable of finding and playing any radio station on the internet. Unfortunately, reading the article did not help me find an answer to this question. The article mentions technologies that can do certain things, but does not specify the software or its capability. It seems that this article can help a programmer more than it would a PC user,

Alex

[edit] Virtual Tuner

I advise doing something about the paragraph devoted to virtual tuners. Not only does it come across like ad copy for the VTUNER product, but no specific mention is made of these other "virtual tuners" that exist in the marketplace.

I did a Google search for "virtual tuner" and have been unsuccessful finding any references for this term. I think this article needs to remain objective and should not be inventing terminology that is not widely accepted in the online community.

--SWCastNetwork 02:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Things may have changed since then--a Google search for "virtual tuner" now brings up 20,700 listings (many duplicates, of course). Without the quotation marks there are over 4 million hits, but that many probably isn't as useful.

--JWMcCalvin 05:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Quantity of results is completely irrelavent. Quality is. The top ten pages of listings on Google for "virtual tuner" do not by any means substantiate that "virtual tuner" is a term in generic usage on the Internet. The vast majority of the results refer to the single proprietary VirtualTuner.com service. The other results are mere "resyndications" of the Wikipedia article describing this questionable term. And the remainder of results have absolutely nothing to do with Internet radio at all, but are describing pedal tuners for guitars and source aggregators for video feeds. So once again, I assert that the paragraph describing virtual tuners either needs to be removed or dramatically reduced since it is not a significant aspect of Internet radio. And Wikipedia articles should not be about inventing new terminology.

--SWCastNetwork 17:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Apparently,I confused what seemed to be the simple statement "I did a Google search for 'virtual tuner' and have been unsuccessful finding any references. . . ." with an implied "... did a Google search and found no references to it as a generic term or related generally to Internet radio." Based on the evidence you present, I've taking the liberty to revise the paragraph and remove the 'advertisement.'

--JWMcCalvin 04:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correct capitalization of Internet radio and Web radio

Internet and Web are both proper nouns when refering to the global networks known as the Internet and the World Wide Web. Please capitalize these terms appropriately when discussing Internet radio (or Net radio) and Web radio.

--SWCastNetwork 18:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Net radio, though is short for "network radio", and hence lower case. Rich Farmbrough, 14:27 4 September 2006 (GMT).

Please provide a verifiable source, as I have never once heard of this so called "network radio" (unless it is refering to a service that is actually a broadcast network in and of itself). Seeing as "Net radio" by itself appears far more commonly in reference to Internet radio broadcasts, I have doubts that it is anything other than shorthand for "Internet radio."

According to Webopedia, "Net" is synonymous with the Internet, In which case it is capitalized for it is a proper noun.

• http://webopedia.com/TERM/N/Net.html

--SWCastNetwork 17:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links to radio stations ?

I re-arranged the external links on the Internet radio article. One section, I made, "Some sample internet radio stations". It seems to be an advert area for odd-bit stations ? I am not sure it should be there at all. Should it be deleted ? Thoughts ? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 14:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC) (User talk:Wikiklrsc)

I removed that section, since it was clearly being used for promotion. The standard practice in this situation is to link to a directory rather than having an incomplete and not clearly defined list. Wmahan. 05:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

You people think too much. Westmar. 06:10, 17 September 2006

Wikipedia is not a place to promote things, as you attempted to do here. If you wish to add content, it would be welcome. Wmahan. 23:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't promoting anything. I was the eighteenth person to provide content under a section titled "EXTERNAL LINKS". Westmar. 11:04, 17 September 2006

[edit] Clarifying Terms

I added a couple words to the first paragraph to help clarify a few of the technical terms that were being used a little loosely.
Broadcast refers specifically to wireless transmission since that delivery method eminates broadly without discrimination.
Netcasting is the term used to indicate delivery through the Internet.
It is worth distinguishing since netcasts require a series of technologies (computer, monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, modem, cables, appropriate software, exact URL) and for-pay services (browser software, player software, internet access), BUT broadcast media require only one device and no fees
Think of it as the difference between cable and the "Networks."
Also, I added the term e-Radio as a synonym since it's used by over 2 million websites to identify their internet radio services.
JussD 20:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)