Talk:Integrated Management Associates

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Man, the Kekich video is laughably boring. There's one lethargic bloke sitting there talking about Neo-Tech in a monotonous tone, and doing nothing but that for 20+ minutes. Truly the best testimony to the great powers of Neo-Tech! Bi 09:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Kekich [1] is very wealthy and successful. It's probably worth straining yourself to listen to his advice. If you're just looking for entertainment than maybe you'd better just stick to writting goofy "NeoTex" web pages. RJII 15:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh sure, I guess one can indeed get quite wealthy by selling lists of mailing addresses on the black market or something for spammers to use to spam. And by convincing people that his vapourware companies are actually doing any useful work. Hey, if I just follow his actions instead of his words, I can be rich and boring too! I should try that, really. Bi 19:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Selling mailing lists on the black market? What? Companies buy and sell mailing lists all the time. It's not black market. It's a normal part of direct marketing. Are you subscribed to any magazines? Do you have credit cards? Rest assured, they are selling their customer lists. If you don't want your name and address sold, then you need to contact them and tell them that you don't want your information sold. RJII 02:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so that's indeed part of Kekich's success formula or something? And I notice that the title of kekich.com says "Internet Poker LLC". Is that some kind of cryptic code used by neothinking Zons I wonder? Bi 09:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, Kekich is not in the mailing list business. RJII 01:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well... I did a bit of looking up on this Kekich guy. He's the President of Red Tree International, and according to this report, was involved in the creation of 3 "blind pool" companies. By the way, the report also says something about "bankruptcy". I'm not sure what it all means, but it's looking good. Bi 10:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

He a venture capitalist. He puts money into, and helps raise money, for new businesses that need start-up capital. A "blind pool" is a corporation where the limited partners who invest do not know exactly what businesses or real estate the general partner is going to invest in, so they are investing based solely on the general partner's track record of turning a profit. It differs from a "specified pool" where the partners evaluate each investment. RJII 15:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that I know. Now what I don't know yet is what's this Lions Holding Group which (as at 2000) controls 99% of Red Tree. And the meaning of "Internet Poker LLC". Bi 16:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Who cares? Kekich is just a businessman who likes Neo-Tech --obviously he's involved in a lot ventures. Why are you on a witchhunt? RJII 16:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

What witchhunt? I'm not drawing any conclusions -- I'm just trying to find out more facts about this interesting character. Oh, and I didn't know that kekich.com was involved in the spamming business. Bi 10:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure he'd be flattered. While you're at it, buy a mailing list from Integrated Management Associates and research all their customers. RJII 17:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I can think for myself, thank you very much, and I don't need you to treat me like sheeple and tell me what to do. Isn't Neo-Tech supposed to be pro-individualism?

Oh, so I see that spamming is an integral part -- or should I say Fully Integrated part -- of the Honest Tactics of Neo-Tech folks. It's not just Kekich; apparently there's one Steven O'Keefe who's openly defending the practice of cross-spamming Usenet groups. Welcome to the laissez-faire future!

Hmm, is there any other Neo-Tech spammer I forgot to flatter? Bi 18:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

What's with the anti-spamming bias? What's wrong with spamming? It's a legitimate business practice. It's no different than paper junk mail arriving in your mail box or getting sales calls on the telephone. It may be annoying, but I don't see anything wrong with it. It's a great way to solicit business. As far as Usenet is concerned, that's not even a private mailbox so what does it matter? Spam away. If you don't like it, then don't read Usenet. Similarly, if you don't like advertisements in magazines, then don't read magazines. RJII 00:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This stuff writes itself. Bi 11:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, just for the record... Bi 10:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to seem like a noob, but I have received "the letter" from the Nouveau Tech Society, and I was wondering if my scans of it would enhance this article. I am not too familiar with Wikipedia's rules regarding such things. I have removed my personal information throughout, but have left in their information. I could modify it further to remove their address and phone number. Should I upload the scans and add them to the article? Just last night, I met a woman who was, for lack of a better word, hysterical after receiving the letter from them. I think it would help people searching for answers about this "secret society." Xanax is my FRIEND 05:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know either. But the main idea is that you shouldn't upload anything which will cause Wikipedia to infringe on copyright -- see Wikipedia:Fair_use. Admins, any clues please? Bi 10:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I've done a bottom-up list prune of the external links section to bring the section more inline with Wikipedia:External links. Below is what was removed. - FrancisTyers · 11:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• Scam.com message forum A forum with posts from several offended Christians
• Complaints with the Bad Business Bureau
  • a complaint claiming that this is a "Satanic cult."
  • a complaint which claims to expose the "secrets" touted by Neo-Tech Publishing
  • a complaint saying that what was claimed to be free turned out to cost US$139.95
  • another report which refers to an ASA ruling in May 2000 that Neo-Tech had "not provided evidence, other than anecdotal, to show the guaranteed earnings, improvements to health, and other benefits had been, or could be, attained"
  • An individual says that he was not "ripped off" by the company, though he also points out that he "can't attest to the promises they make"
    • Template response letter used by Customer-Service Manager of Neo-Tech Publishing Company in response to every "rip-off" claim
• Online newspaper and journal excerpts
  • Tony Levene of The Guardian says that "Neo-Tech" and "Novus-Tek" have "the same Nevada address" and advises people to "send the letter from Novus Tek to a recycling bin and save your cash".
  • The Age Online: "Mystical" letter scam warning.
  • JoeMax Tomlin of Sweetwater Reporter suggests that Neo-Tech is a scam.
  • Harry Edwards, Investigation: Make me rich quick -- Please. The Skeptic, 17(3):32-37 (1997).[2]
• Neo-Tech Protection Kit Letters from NTP sent to various government agencies and officials who have attacked the company. Includes several character slurs, e.g. one critic was labelled as a "Hostile Academic", and another critic was labelled as a "Collectivist Zealot". Includes a response to John Ashcroft.
• Discussion thread on Friends in Business forums about Neo-Tech started by a recipient of unsolicited Neo-Tech mail, who was concerned that "ridding myself of the Lord just doesn't sit right with me just for material things", and who also said that "if I was to send back my response to get the free secrets they would send me [...] a $150 offer for the actual 1,000 pg. book with the real stuff".
• A video testimonial A video testimonial from David A. Kekich, a "satisfied Neo-Tech customer"

listen, i purchased the nouveau tech society package of inside secrets, & was satisfied, but my main "beef" with "I&O" is that i received another letter shortly after, "soliciting" some more literature that i sent for and never received. in the letter it was stated that all i had to do was send $90 for s&h but never received the literature. damonshivers83@yahoo.com