Talk:Instrumental case

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Clarify the distinction between instrumental case and instrument as a semantic role. Replace Latin with an example from a language that has a case actually called "instrumental", preferably one which isn't also used for other purposes.

[edit] eighth case, and instrumental

Who calls it the eighth case and why do they call it such a thing? Also, why have an example (in this case librum stylo scripsi) that has an ablative case and not an instrumental. I understand full well that this is an instrumental ablative, but why not use a russian example or a sanskrit example or an estonian or any of dozens of languages that actually have an instrumental case? I think it is a bit ambiguous to have a page on the instrumental case whose first example is of an ablative. Remember, the instrumental and locative (in the sense in/on, not at) cases were absorbed from PIE into the ablative case in latin. The ablative's primary function is in its name ab+fero, ferre, tuli, latus which was used for separation.--Josh Rocchio 17:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair warning, I will be deleting the eigth case nonsense, and changing the example to one in a language that actually has an instrumental case properly, unless the author responsibles cites the former, or can well argue the latter. This has been up a few days and has not gotten a response.--Ioshus^(talk) 18:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I see, the first one is one the to do list, I'll go ahead.--Ioshus^(talk) 18:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)