Talk:Institut Le Rosey

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Seja430 Please do not vandalise articles and be aware of sensitivities of individuals and families when updating information just based on Google data.Google is not Britannica and is just a collection of information without any oversight.If you feel that the article or data is incorrect because it cant be verified on "Google" then just remove it,but do not place information which can have other consequences to those concerned. Thank you.

Thanks for posting this TWICE here. I am really rather unclear as to why you so vigorously support this information. Please direct any other discussion on the matter to my talk page. --Seja430 05:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


I was astonished to read the comments about Le Rosey. As a parent of a graduating student and as having experience of some of the top schools in Canada, USA, and the United Kingdom Le Rosey outshines any and all schools in these countries. Le Rosey instills a work ethic that can not be found in the other top schools of the world. Mr. Gudin, the Director of Le Rosey, is a man of his word, walks his talk and employs very fine teachers. Le Rosey is one of the finest schools in the world from both and educational institution not to mention sporting achievements. The Le Rosey students are not only educated but prepared for life after Le Rosey and are accepted at some of the finest Universities in the world. A quote from a leading collage at Oxford “ I would pick a Le Rosey student above most others……” As to the cost I feel this is the greatest gift I could give my son and pales into insignificants when you see what you get. Lloyd Lecuona

Moved a student from article space:

I have found only one mention of Kerry at Le Rosey at [1], but that mention is just a comment on the entry on "Lennon, Sean". The entry on Kerry himself doesn't mention Le Rosey.

However, Kerry was at the Institut Montana in Zugerberg, Switzerland, from September 1954 to June 1955 : [2], then click on "News". See also [3].

Unless somebody can provide evidence that Kerry also attended Le Rosey, I suggest that he be not included in the list of alumni of Le Rosey. Lupo 12:47, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] A bit biased

As a former Rosean myself, I will not dispute that the quality of education there is not the highest in the world (especially considering its fantastically high price tag). Nevertheless, unlike the vast majority of Wikipedia's articles, which present a wide range of far more controversial topics in a even-handed manner, I find this one to be a bit biased against the school. I will refrain from editing the text for now to see if others agree. Also, I can assure you that John Kerry did not attend Le Rosey. The previous post is correct, that he did attend another Swiss boarding school for a time in his childhood.

JOHN KERRY'S BROTHER SPENT A YEAR IN ROSEY. That's all! Swift

Indeed, the "The establishment is highly over-valued with no higher then mediocre results in any of the subjects." is clearly stating an opinion rather than a fact. Added NPOV flag. --Denoir 02:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
I must agree. I am also a former student, and feel that not only are these biased statements rather unfounded, but that they have no place in this - or any other - Wikipedia article. -- Sgenevieve

[edit] I think this was written by a slightly resentful student

But, like the previous poster, i will refrain from editing the page. Despite the fact that its loaded with opinions and facts, the information is not entirely accurate, purely because it lacks presentation of any positive facts, and as a former rosean, i can assure you those facts exist. french is not ENFORCED upon students. The previous poster has spent 5 years at this school, and he's level of french is comparable to my level of Russian, or of Chinese... I await responses. Also i would suggest you checked the language, spelling, grammar and sytanx before you post something on a public page. Basically so that you dont make public the fact that you don't know ANY english. Gee perhaps you should let them enforce french upon you, given that english enforcement seems to be yielding rather poor results... Oh and incidentally, taking advantage of anonimity to publish insults is a great sign of cowardice. but some people get turned on by that, so whatever floats your boat.

It is kinda funny to see the previous person complaining about spelling when s/he made so many in his/her text.

[edit] Rosey is one of the best schools I know of.

I am also a former student and I can testify to the quality of my teachers and to the tremendously rich environment, full of students with many interests, including social and cultural. Most students speak French. I didn't when I entered school, but our teacher had a very good system and I can say that pretty soon I was speaking fluently. In addition, one shares meals with the teacher. By the way, the food was excellent; not at all what you would expect from a school's kitchen.

[edit] Pozzo di Borgo

"The Pozzos did not go to Rosey... Where do you get your info from?" - comment left by User:83.78.90.69 in article Pozzo di Borgo family, and moved here. Rd232 talk 11:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Just FYI... The Pozzo di Borgos attend(ed) schools in Paris. Boarding school isn't exactly the "done thing" in France, especially in Paris... However, I can definitely say that they were at a school much like Le Rosey (also bilingual).

[edit] Need for balance

Clearly everyone involved in this article is biased in some way by direct associations with the school. Whilst this may be the most obvious way of knowing facts about the place, it clearly leads to biased views, either for or against the school. People who come out of a boarding school environment generally feel one or the other, and not much in between- this article needs some balance and editing from someone who did not attend the school and is not linked directly with it. I did not think the article was massively against the school although there is clearly room for improvement and by the sounds of the discussion here that much is inaccurate. Re the first poster on this page, I would be extremely disappointed if an Oxford tutor said that and wonder if they can substantiate this comment. It sounds like this school clearly does a good job of preparing students for places like Oxford, but an Oxford tutor will look for the potential in every candidate, not just those who were subjected to years of preparation specifically for entry to top universities and who are at a high level to begin with.

The school sounds like an interesting place - some information on founders, more info on buildings, and factual information would greatly benefit this article.

[edit] overestimating the school

Having gone to many international schools and institutes around the world i can tell you that Le Rosey rises above the rest in presentation. However this is just (in my opinion) a thin layer, that hides the not so attractive side to this school. Many of the children adopt an expensive lifestyle, which is fine, but not when they inforce it upon others. Expensive weekends, and explicit money spending has given a bad name to Rosey graduates. I found that not all students we're spoilt, but a vast majority were.

[edit] Distinguished Alumni

BTW, while we're at it, can anyone verify that the New York Van Cortlandt family is still in existence? I saw that someone listed them here as alumni, but this cannot be verified so I removed it. I am convinced that the family is extinct. If anyone has any info, please share. Thesaunterer 00:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

That was my fault. I had conflated my cousins' Swiss boarding schools into one. Additionally, their last name excludes the final 't' and probably most of the Patroon heritage thereby implied. The young ladies in question attended Dwight and The American School in Switzerland, neither of which is Le Rosey at all. --Seja430 01:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Still biased, + contribution:

the sons Justo and Pasteur Obiang of Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (president of Equatorial Guinea) attended Rosey. They moved to College De Leman as of 2005.

Also the article remains biased:

"Invaluable to the students is a very high-quality education with an International Baccalaureate. However, as adults, having a worldwide network of former classmates at the highest levels of industry or government can be priceless."

Should be removed, whether these items are actually valuable/invaluable/whatever is debatable, as is the quality of an IB diploma. It should be removed, or changed, stating facts rather than opinion.

Also, the phrase is pleonastic, "invaluable to students is....However, as adults.....priceless.

I do believe that invaluable and priceless mean the same thing, why "however"?


Seja430 Please do not vandalise articles and be aware of sensitivities of individuals and families when updating information just based on Google data.Google is not Britannica and is just a collection of information without any oversight.If you feel that the article or data is incorrect because it cant be verified on "Google" then just remove it,but do not place information which can have other consequences to those concerned. Thank you.

I am well aware that Google is not Britannica, and am unsure of the "other consequences" to which you refer. Feel free to elaborate on my talk page. --Seja430 00:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous alumni - a target for hoaxes?

I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of this list. Many names are added by anons, and we have no way of verifying the claims. I think many of them are hoaxes. My suggestion would be to remove all the redlinked names. In fact, we could scrap the list altogether (though that would be a pity) and mention one or two names of people that we know went to school there in the main body of the article. AnnH ♫ 12:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added an invisible note saying:
<!--Names that are added to this section are likely to be removed quickly, unless there is some verification. If you know of someone notable who went to school at Rosey, please report it at the discussion page. Thanks.-->
I think we need to be very firm about this. I have sometimes hesitated in the past about removing something added by an anon (it's usually anons who add these hoaxes) when I didn't know for a fact that this person hadn't been educated at Rosey, but it's really better for the encyclopaedia if we leave out someone who studied there than if we include someone who didn't. AnnH ♫ 15:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree. The burden is on those who add the material to provide verifiable citation to a reliable source. Tom Harrison Talk 16:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
In the interests of full disclosure, I've just added Mayuko Takata to the alumni list after fixing a link on her bio page. I'm not having too much luck finding an (English) source/verification link yet, but I'm still looking. It's no hoax, so hopefully my addition won't get reverted. PantsCorp 17:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] memo


and either of them is/was really notable? --Svartalf 18:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brian Mullally, Kevin Mullally and le rosey

I have put in the link for Brian Mullally and Kevin Mullally several times, and it is removed. Why? There is proof that Brian Mullally went to le Rosey (the alumni page) and there is proof that Kevin Mullally is the Director of USAID in Rwanda and is obviously an American Diplomat. It was even printed in the washington post. If you simply google it, it is there. please respond. thank you. Mullally18@hotmail.com 22:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not finding anything. Could you give me a link? Tom Harrison Talk 22:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Please post the links to the exact pages here. Also, you may have noticed when you were adding that name that that section has an invisible note (i.e. one that you don't see when reading the page, but that you see when you open the edit box) warning editors that names added will be removed unless they give verification on the discussion page. By the way, your article on Keven Mullally has been deleted. Apparently it was a copyright violation. AnnH ♫ 22:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] continue

oh wow... i don't know how to redirect to another website where the other article is found...

http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2005/pr050628.html
how can i redirect to that website?

That works, but the page doesn't mention Institut Le Rosey. Tom Harrison Talk 23:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


How do i redirect this page?

I'm not sure what you are asking. I went to the usaid link you provided, but didn't find any mention of Institut Le Rosey. For other links, just copy and paste from the address bar and we'll figure it out. If you want to get fancy, you can link to Google like this. Tom Harrison Talk 00:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harold H. Tittman,III

I am an anon who changed the second to last alum from "William Tittman III; American diplomat" to "Harold H. Tittman III, American Diplomat; author." For verification see: _Inside the Vatican of Pius XII: The Memoir of an American Diplomat During World War II_ (New York: Image/Doubleday, 2004) Le Rosey with great affection on p. 56. 66.9.199.16 19:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)ChasGall66.9.199.16 19:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I was easily able to search the book on online at amazon and confirm that. Tom Harrison Talk 21:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wilding brothers

I don't understand why Michael and Christopher Wilding, sons of Elizabeth Taylor and Michael Wilding, were removed from the Notable Alumni list. I have a 1967 Rosey yearbook where they are listed as: Mike and Chris Wilding, Los Angeles. Many others are listed as progeny of famous people and aren't Liz Taylor and Michael Wilding famous enough ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mediacritic99 (talk • contribs) 06:52, 14 September 2006.

Hi, Mediacritic. Yes, sure they're famous enough, but as the first sentence of this policy document says, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader must be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source." Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia "that anyone can edit", we're in constant danger of haoxes, and have to be very cautious about what we accept. Many of the editors who insert names of people who supposedly studied at Rosey are unregistered users, who add a lot of questionable information and then disappear. Even the registered users can't be accepted without question. Any practical joker can register a user name that guards his/her real-life identity, put a lot of nonsense into articles, and not be answerable to anyone. I did a search for the names of the Wilding brothers on Google, with "Rosey", and did not find any mention that they went to Rosey. So, while we thank you for your efforts, unfortunately we can't accept that edit unless the information is such that it can be checked by any reader. By the way, when you make an edit on a talk page, can you type four tildes (~~~~) at the end. They will automatically convert into your signature (linking to your user page) and the date. Thanks, and happy editing! AnnH ♫ 07:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, just because Google does not have them listed as going to Rosey seems to me to be an insufficient reason to remove them. How is a 1967 Rosey yearbook not sufficient proof ? Do you need a fax of the relevant page ? 24.18.221.180 04:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

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