User talk:Ingoman

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Contents 1 moved your Tunis image to Commons 2 Late Ottoman flag 3 Rise of the Islamic Courts 4 image question 5 Somali Land 2006: congratulations! 6 Your new maps 7 Outside Editor on the Somali people page 8 Somali Civil War 9 Upload Somalia maps on Commons? 10 Somali war 11 Islamic Courts seal 12 Re: Somali land 2006 12 02.png

[edit] moved your Tunis image to Commons

Hi I moved your image Tunis.png to Commons [[1]] because it was colliding with another image already on the commons called Tunis.png. I updated all the pages that use your image as well to use the new name. Sbwoodside 02:34, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Late Ottoman flag

Hi Ingoman, I recently edited the Ottoman Flag article, correcting the information on the relationship between the late Ottoman flag and the flag of Turkey (they are not identical, as was stated in the article). I also replaced, in the Reform and Decline section, the image (Image:Ottoman_Religious1789-1923.png [2]) with (Image:OttomanReligious.png [3]), both uploaded by you. The problem with the first image is that it is clearly a copy of the modern Turkish flag (see Image:Flag of Turkey.svg [4]), recognizable by its clear geometric proportions, painted into green with an image editing tool, and this is not historically accurate. I changed the reference in the article to the second image (Image:OttomanReligious.png) uploaded by you on February, and I am marking the wrong flag image for deletion. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rise of the Islamic Courts

On 25-Sep, you added a {{rfd}} tag to Rise of the Islamic Courts. However, you never listed this redirect at WP:RFD. If you still wish to nominate this redirect for deletion, please complete your nomination. The instructions are listed at WP:RFD. If you don't list it within a reasonable time, I'll assume you don't wish to proceed and remove the tag. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 17:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image question

I left a question at Image talk:Somali land 2006 10 10.png on a point I'm confused about in the description. Thanks, BanyanTree 22:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Somali Land 2006: congratulations!

Thank you so much! It is by far the best and most relevant map on Somalia available anywhere on the Web. I'll make good use of it here at UQAM in Montreal. Two questions: 1) where did you get the info about all the subdivisions and their exact geographical boundaries? 2) Are they named after sub-clans, or some other convenient way? I mean, I understand the color scheme and who controls what, but I don't know why subdivisions are named the way they are. Paradis pe 02:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me add to these congrulations. :) Another update, BTW: Hobyo is now in the hands of the ICU,(ref) so I think you can delete "Southern Mudug" entirely from the next map update... —Nightstallion (?) 18:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing, interesting though, they helped set up Southern Mudug with local elders in mid-August after they drove out the pirate lords there. I think I'm going to draw in Gaalkacayo as being disputed between Puntland and the Islamic Courts, as the southern half of the province is loosely held by ICU-aligned militias, and there are islamic courts in both north and south Gaalkacayo now, as of yesterday, despite the district technically being part of Puntland. --Ingoman 20:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Great to see such an interesting and undervalued topic in your safe hands on Wikipedia. :) —Nightstallion (?) 22:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your new maps

You mixed up Jubaland and Puntland in a few of the legends -- in some of them, Puntland is given as belonging to the Transitional Government, when you actually meant that Jubaland does. —Nightstallion (?) 14:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahh crap, thanks for that. --Ingoman 16:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

And once again, though my repetition must get on your nerves by now, I am amazed by the quality of your maps on the highly complicated Somalia issue. :) —Nightstallion (?) 20:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Praise is always appreciated. I've been trying to research the period between 1991 and 2000, but it's difficult because the period is so chaotic. I also wanted to do a map on the Ogaden War, but it's very difficult to get a good account of the WSLF's campaign in the south.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ingoman (talk • contribs).

Well, I hope you'll be successful! —Nightstallion (?) 16:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Shabelle is reporting that Bardhere, too, has joined the Islamic Courts, so the map will need to be updated. This looks like a very high-maintenance project :). --WikiMarshall 05:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not enough to establish an Islamic Court, otherwise Galkacyo would be part of the ICU as well. I consider territory with an Islamic Court but still controlled by the JVA or Puntland as disputed. The ICU still has to defeat the JVA forces in Bardhere in order to fully control the district. --Ingoman 06:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Basketballplayer90000 has expressed what appear to be some legitimate concerns about this map on my talk page. Can you please address these concerns? I'm neutral aside from the fact that I think your map is very nice looking. shotwell 00:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I have gathered, Basketballplayer9000 is a hardcore Somaliland nationalist, and as such he does not recognize that the eastern regions are disputed between Somaliland and Puntland, or even that Puntland really exists as a state, nor the Transitional Government's authority. Legitimacy means little however, and my maps are based entirely on actual reality on the ground. This reality is: Sool and Sanaaq are not unquestionably Somaliland territory, and are very much in dispute between Puntland and Somaliland. Baidoa and Gedo are still garrisoned by thousands of JVA, Government and Ethiopian soliders, and by no stretch of the imagination could be considered to belong to the ICU (though Gedo is definitely going in that direction) and North Galkacyo still has a few thousands Puntland and Ethiopian forces stationed there.

[edit] Outside Editor on the Somali people page

to shotwell or Ingoman i need one of you to review the somali people page and see wich one is the best

also look at the discussion page where you can see why there is a edit conflict RoboRanks 02:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Somali Civil War

Sorry. I saw those and I could not figure out what they were. I assumed a new user had tried to wing it with formatting. What do they do? This is the first time I have come across those. KazakhPol 00:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

They keep the floated images from "stacking" the way they do now that you removed them. --Ingoman 01:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upload Somalia maps on Commons?

Hi Ingoman
I established the Somalia portal in the German-language Wikipedia and I appreciate your very good and useful maps of the political situation in Somalia. But why don't you upload your maps in the Commons – so that they are available for all Wikipedias – instead of only in the English-language Wikipedia? Regards, Béka 17:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The maps are in English, though I suppose that's not much of an impediment. I've released the maps to the public domain, so all are free to use them however they wish.--Ingoman 17:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Somali war

Hi,

see my changes on Somali Civil War (2006). I call you to continue developing the NEW article. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic Courts seal

Hi, thanks for adding that graphic, I was looking at the photo you linked it to and it looks like a book underneath the scales, with a black on white Shahada underneath that, I'm going to upload a seal I made based off the photo on my user profile. I think it fits the photo better, but you uploaded the photo so I'll let you be the judge on whether you want to use it or not.Orthuberra 07:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Somali land 2006 12 02.png

Nice job on this map! It's the kind of thing we need more of on Wikipedia. (BTW, I left a note on your blog; I hope you take it as constructive criticism, & that it doesn't keep you from considering joining WikiProject Ethiopia.) -- llywrch 22:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks! The exact role of the Sabaeans in founding the Axumite Empire and Da'amot is a very contentious issue, and my own opinion in light of the existing evidence is put forth in my blog entry. This is primarily based on the fact that Sabaean and Ge'ez (both the spoken and written language) are both descended from the same root language (Old South Arabian), and that this root language was the language spoken in South Arabia during the time that the Sabaeans would have invaded Eritrea (roughly 800 BC), and that after 800 BC, Sabaeans referred to themselves the "Mukarribs of Saba and Da'amot", or in mordern terms, the Priest-King of Yemen and Eritrea.--Ingoman 22:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)